Rece Davis - Incumbent on B1G to share this information - why MLB playing? NFL?

Wait a relevant CFB ESPN employee is talking about how there should be CFB? I was told ESPN, a sports channel that's only programming is sports, wanted it cancelled.

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Wait a relevant CFB ESPN employee is talking about how there should be CFB? I was told ESPN, a sports channel that's only programming is sports, wanted it cancelled.

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He's a REC shill, so he takes his orders from Bear Jr - not the WWL

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This is effectively a amateurism vs pro debate.

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Yep - and that same debate will dominate the eventual "playing in the spring" argument as well.

MLB players are getting infected. Maybe I missed a press release but has an MLB player or staff member had to spend time in a hospital to get over their infection? I'm fairly certain I haven't missed a report of an MLB death from covid.

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Yep - and that same debate will dominate the eventual "playing in the spring" argument as well.

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I agree that schools won't be playing in the spring but I still highly doubt that will be the case for next fall.

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Maybe I missed a press release but has an MLB player or staff member had to spend time in a hospital to get over their infection?

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A couple of STL Cardinals did - they didn't specify whether staff or players

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This is effectively a amateurism vs pro debate.


Yep - and that same debate will dominate the eventual "playing in the spring" argument as well.

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College students are not able to be away from campus and so forth. Too many people around in college. Pro you have your house or hotel where all players stay at. Then play games and go back to hotel or home. College student-athletes are harder to control their lives and/or situation.

Hey SummerOfGeorge: Always have been one of the most reputable and civil posters here. I look at MLB and NFL like I do other aspects of the Economy. During COVID-19, every state, even with the strict lockdowns had critical jobs and professions that were allowed to be open. So truckers delivering supplies and products, Hospitals, Restaurants could serve take out, in Louisiana Vets were allowed to be open, Gas stations, Car repair shops, drug stores, etc. So all those people are in the work force. MLB and NFL, while Sports, are Professional leagues so it is the job of the Players even though it is sports. The NFL and MLB both have players Unions which under US Labor laws have the right to collectively bargain for wages and work conditions with Management.

College football yes is a sport just like MLB and NFL, but it is still under the umbrella of the NCAA and "amateurism" and thus the college players, unlike the NFL and MLB can not under current NCAA and I think U.S. Labor laws negotiate with the University their working conditions. The moment you get to that and the colleges have a "players association or union" college football is dead as we know it (it might already be).

How much money would LSU ticket holders be willing to pay last year for Joe Borrough mid-season to say hey, I want to re-negotiate my wages after LSU beat Bama. What if he asked for 2 Million dollars. What if Chase asked for 1.5 million? How much would Bama fans have been willing to pay for ticket prices after Tua won the NC vs UGA in his freshman year? The Universities would go bankrupt. If the players are employees of the University, then they get to negotiate salaries just like any Professor does when they are hired or the Facilities services people do with there union or through state civil service reps, etc with the University.

Personally once there is a movement for players to form an association, I think college football as we know it is done. Scholarship with Pell Grants etc are for education to obtain a degree, sports was the means which many of this young men got the opportunity to go to college.

Grant and aide scholarships are not given to HS students who play football to go to the University as an employee.

I think in 10 years, the NFL is going to have a player development league for HS players who do no want to go to college and want to earn money vs. those who want to go to college under the traditional grant and aide scholarship and play football. College football will look like NCAA basketball in 10 years, the top talent will be in a semi-pro league getting paid for 2 or 3 years and go the NFL, the less talented guys will play college for 3 years and be draft eligible as they are now.

That is how I see it going.

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Hey SummerOfGeorge: Always have been one of the most reputable and civil posters here. I look at MLB and NFL like I do other aspects of the Economy. During COVID-19, every state, even with the strict lockdowns had critical jobs and professions that were allowed to be open. So truckers delivering supplies and products, Hospitals, Restaurants could serve take out, in Louisiana Vets were allowed to be open, Gas stations, Car repair shops, drug stores, etc. So all those people are in the work force. MLB and NFL, while Sports, are Professional leagues so it is the job of the Players even though it is sports. The NFL and MLB both have players Unions which under US Labor laws have the right to collectively bargain for wages and work conditions with Management.

College football yes is a sport just like MLB and NFL, but it is still under the umbrella of the NCAA and "amateurism" and thus the college players, unlike the NFL and MLB can not under current NCAA and I think U.S. Labor laws negotiate with the University their working conditions. The moment you get to that and the colleges have a "players association or union" college football is dead as we know it (it might already be).

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Agree - and as others have said for the last few weeks, the biggest issue here is not truly "health" of kids - it's what happens when a handful of kids get really sick and have lingering issues.

In MLB, like you said, they have a Union that had a month long negotiation on these sorts of things. Things like who pays, liability, etc are all part of it. The players were/are apprised of the latest infomration on the disease and the risks and given the option to opt-out while still being paid 75% of their salary (or 100% if they had issues or family concerns).

None of that exists in college sports, and that makes it scary for college administrators both from a PR standpoint and a liability standpoint. But........they can't say that, because then the amateurism thing really looks flimsy.

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Agree - and as others have said for the last few weeks, the biggest issue here is not truly "health" of kids - it's what happens when a handful of kids get really sick and have lingering issues.

In MLB, like you said, they have a Union that had a month long negotiation on these sorts of things. Things like who pays, liability, etc are all part of it. The players were/are apprised of the latest infomration on the disease and the risks and given the option to opt-out while still being paid 75% of their salary (or 100% if they had issues or family concerns).

None of that exists in college sports, and that makes it scary for college administrators both from a PR standpoint and a liability standpoint. But........they can't say that, because then the amateurism thing really looks flimsy.

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Correct, it is the legal liability issue. The football players are not legally employees. They have no right to negotiate working conditions, wages with the University or State. That is by definition an employee. So if the Universities lets this players play and something happens down the line, there is legal exposure.

So the question for the SEC, ACC and Big 12 states are how much legal exposure are they willing to take to play College football. My guess is they are doing differential analysis. What is the cost of playing this year, with the probability of a lawsuit of X Billions of dollars down the line vs. not playing an loosing TV revenues, some concession and merchandise revenues, ticket sales for 1 year. I am guessing that the Big 10 and Pac12 did that type of analysis and said the best option was not to play for 2020.

Maybe those States and Universities and Presidents are more risk averse than the states in the footprint of the SEC, ACC and Big 12. We will see.