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Question to Georgia fans in relation to Miami
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:07 pm
What made Richt so successful to start out with at Georgia?
Furthermore, Richt seems to be pulling Miami in the right direction ever so slowly, win or lose. He has a tall order with all those superpowers in Louisville and Clemson, being in the ACC.
Furthermore, Richt seems to be pulling Miami in the right direction ever so slowly, win or lose. He has a tall order with all those superpowers in Louisville and Clemson, being in the ACC.
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:48 pm to FourThreeForty
Not sure but I think it was new, fresh, exciting, and got his blood moving like when his wife shows some ankle.
But in all seriousness, I think he got too comfortable at UGA and lost that fighting spirit. He was more concerned about churning out champions of life than champions on the gridiron. I think he's got some new life in Miami.
But in all seriousness, I think he got too comfortable at UGA and lost that fighting spirit. He was more concerned about churning out champions of life than champions on the gridiron. I think he's got some new life in Miami.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:51 pm to FourThreeForty
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What made Richt so successful to start out with at Georgia?
He's a great offensive minded coach. Early on he called the plays from the sideline like he did at FSU. UGA had its best years then 2002.2005,2007 then he delegated it over to Mike BoBo and got a little lazy. The talent he fielded in 2012 should have won the Natty but fell on their faces in the SECCG by a couple of yards. Depending on the Def Coordinator and how well BoBo did his homework they weren't that bad in the latter years. BoBo left and went to Co. State and we hired Shotty but he was horrible. Worst offense in decades (but still managed 10 wins)
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:02 am to FourThreeForty
Mark Richt just might be the best coach to not win a national title, yet play for one. As an assistant he was successful being part of two at FSU.
Other coaches to be highly successful without winning a national title:
Beamer (played for one in 1999)
Schembechler (2-8 Rose Bowl record)
John Cooper (NC caliber teams in 1993, 1996, 1998)
Snyder (underachiever, but has achieved)
Patterson (still a young P5 program)
Petersen (2 undefeated seasons, 1 CFP)
Vaught (2 undefeated seasons, lots of success)
Other coaches to be highly successful without winning a national title:
Beamer (played for one in 1999)
Schembechler (2-8 Rose Bowl record)
John Cooper (NC caliber teams in 1993, 1996, 1998)
Snyder (underachiever, but has achieved)
Patterson (still a young P5 program)
Petersen (2 undefeated seasons, 1 CFP)
Vaught (2 undefeated seasons, lots of success)
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:03 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:11 am to FourThreeForty
Good timing with the 2 davids, Fulmer on the downtrend, and Spurrier leaving UF.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:13 am to djsdawg
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Djsdawg
I thought that might be the case at first, but I wanted to hear the collective first hand fans' perspective. Very interested in keeping an eye on them, considering we play them roughly 5 years from this current season.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:20 am to FourThreeForty
People on the inside say Richt had a competitive nature, but it didn't show in his demeanor, or in his recruiting. He always pulled a few superstars: AJ Green, Matt Stafford etc, but had glaring deficiences in the trenches. There were years we had maybe six serviceable OL. Years where there were 8 coveted linemen in the state of Georgia and we might sign one. There were years when we had only 70+ players on scholarship. And we always lost big time in state players to Alabama, Clemson, OSU, Auburn etc. Players who never even seriously considered Uga. Compare that to Saban (or Kirby) who recruit trench players relentlessly and frequently oversign. Kirby is a much more aggressive and relentless recruiter. He may not get them all but he seems to be in on them to the bitter end. Thats 75% of the battle in a state like Georgia.
I think Richt was soft on players. They loved him but didn't fear him. The lack of discipline - same mistakes over and over etc really plagued his teams. we would start games with three straight offensive penalties, call ridiculous time outs, frequently look unprepared, undisciplined and unmotivated.
there were a couple of times a year the team just flat did not show up and it was inexcusable. The 2012 team that was a play away from the Natty lost 35-7 to south carolina. The 2007 team that was in the BCS discussion lost to a terrible SC team at home and by several touchdowns to an average UT. The 2008 team that was preseason #1 got humiliated by Alabama and Florida. Once Lane Kiffin humiliated him running the same bootleg over and over. We never adjusted. Kiffin bragged that as long as he was at UT they would never lose to UGa. Glad we never got to find out.
He was NOT the offensive genius some claim. At FSU he had superior athletes and relied on THAT rather then any offensive scheming. His best teams at UGa in the early years had hard nosed fast defenses and the offenses were serviceable at best. Bobo took the offense to new levels, but by then the defenses for the most part were beyond horrible.
Kirby has a vision for rugged Bama style offense and relentless stop-the -run-first defense, he recruits to fulfill that vision. The jury is still out, but I'm very excited about the way he is developing uga football. I think that is the way to win long term.
Im not sure what Richt's going to do in Miami. I would guess his miami teams will have the same strengths and weaknesses his uga teams displayed. I genuinely believe he is a good person and wish him only the best.
I think Richt was soft on players. They loved him but didn't fear him. The lack of discipline - same mistakes over and over etc really plagued his teams. we would start games with three straight offensive penalties, call ridiculous time outs, frequently look unprepared, undisciplined and unmotivated.
there were a couple of times a year the team just flat did not show up and it was inexcusable. The 2012 team that was a play away from the Natty lost 35-7 to south carolina. The 2007 team that was in the BCS discussion lost to a terrible SC team at home and by several touchdowns to an average UT. The 2008 team that was preseason #1 got humiliated by Alabama and Florida. Once Lane Kiffin humiliated him running the same bootleg over and over. We never adjusted. Kiffin bragged that as long as he was at UT they would never lose to UGa. Glad we never got to find out.
He was NOT the offensive genius some claim. At FSU he had superior athletes and relied on THAT rather then any offensive scheming. His best teams at UGa in the early years had hard nosed fast defenses and the offenses were serviceable at best. Bobo took the offense to new levels, but by then the defenses for the most part were beyond horrible.
Kirby has a vision for rugged Bama style offense and relentless stop-the -run-first defense, he recruits to fulfill that vision. The jury is still out, but I'm very excited about the way he is developing uga football. I think that is the way to win long term.
Im not sure what Richt's going to do in Miami. I would guess his miami teams will have the same strengths and weaknesses his uga teams displayed. I genuinely believe he is a good person and wish him only the best.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:08 am to djsdawg
Yeah, he made some Saban like moves. Stole Garner from Fulmer. Hired BVG. Adopted some stud recruits from the Donnan era.
Put himself together a good staff from 02-05. Rode the combo of Greene and Shockley to two SEC championships. Once those two left, he couldn't find a QB that could lead a team except perhaps Murray. By that time, his coaching staff were mediocre.
2012 was his last good/great team. It started to fall apart thereafter.
Put himself together a good staff from 02-05. Rode the combo of Greene and Shockley to two SEC championships. Once those two left, he couldn't find a QB that could lead a team except perhaps Murray. By that time, his coaching staff were mediocre.
2012 was his last good/great team. It started to fall apart thereafter.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:13 am to Kimsey
Donnan stole Garner from Fulmer.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:53 am to FooManChoo
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Not sure but I think it was new, fresh, exciting, and got his blood moving like when his wife shows some ankle.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 5:54 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:03 am to FourThreeForty
It's also worth noting how well Donnan stocked the roster before he got canned. The 2002 team was loaded.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:26 am to Crowknowsbest
02 was legit incredible. Still think it was Richts best unit
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:51 am to Crowknowsbest
2003, with 10 new starters on offense was Richts best coaching job. The 2007 team, at the end of the year was the best we ever played.
He had some moments but just couldn't get it done when it really mattered.
He had some moments but just couldn't get it done when it really mattered.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:59 am to FourThreeForty
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What made Richt so successful to start out with at Georgia?
He inherited some very good players and knew how to coach them. Plus there's that "new coach bump syndrome". But I don't believe Richt was ever totally comfortable in Athens the way he is in Miami. Totally different cultures.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:16 am to FourThreeForty
Richt struck gold with DC Brian Van Gorder. If enigmatic BVG had stayed I honestly believe CMR would have at least 1 MNC. Richt needs a traditional football hard-arse to balance his laid back persona. Once BVG left our program was never quite the same.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 am to WorkinDawg
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Richt struck gold with DC Brian Van Gorder.
Bingo. Van Gorder was the key in Richt's early years. Add in Pollack,Thomas Davis and Odell Thurman.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:43 pm to Kimsey
Richt did NOT steal Garner from Fulmer. Donnan did. He was the only Donnan coach Richt retained.
BVG was a NOBODY at Grand Valley St or something. Now that was a brilliant catch on Richt's part
BVG was a NOBODY at Grand Valley St or something. Now that was a brilliant catch on Richt's part
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:50 pm to SpartyGator
And as loaded as the 02 team was, they were one play from losing to a decent SC team, took a last second desperation throw to beat a so-so Auburn team, got a BIG LUCKY break against so-so Bama in the 'man enough' game (Bama had fumble return for touchdown called back because a uga oline had moved early) And of course lost to FL.
Contrast this to Tub's 04 AU team or Cam's NC team that basically ran away from the field. Richt just lacked that killer instinct.
Contrast this to Tub's 04 AU team or Cam's NC team that basically ran away from the field. Richt just lacked that killer instinct.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:03 pm to miledawg
Richt's strengths are also his weaknesses.
Loyalty. In recruiting, he would put all of his eggs in 1 basket (we are recruiting you and no one else... and we can prove it with our lack of offers at your position). That worked signing big recruits like AJ Green, Crowell, Stafford. But it also backfired. We had years where we signed 1 defensive back (you need 5 or 6 on the field at a single time) because our target went elsewhere. Our 2012 championship team had 67 scholarship athletes and we were not on probation.
The coffers were full and Richt signed big names early. Later, the coffers were empty, but he was still bringing in big names (until 2013).
Loyalty. In recruiting, he would put all of his eggs in 1 basket (we are recruiting you and no one else... and we can prove it with our lack of offers at your position). That worked signing big recruits like AJ Green, Crowell, Stafford. But it also backfired. We had years where we signed 1 defensive back (you need 5 or 6 on the field at a single time) because our target went elsewhere. Our 2012 championship team had 67 scholarship athletes and we were not on probation.
The coffers were full and Richt signed big names early. Later, the coffers were empty, but he was still bringing in big names (until 2013).
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:38 pm to meansonny
yes! i mentioned this above. Richt's roster management was horrendous. Signing a lineman here and a lineman there will NOT get it done. Kirby is turning that approach on it's ear and i don't see how it cant get results.
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