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Pretty good summary of what NIL is operating in,

Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:42 am
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:42 am
Posted by NFLSU
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:48 am to
A&M has the most obvious pay-for-play scheme in the game and they STILL couldn’t sign a Top 10 class
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:54 am to
the tax consequences will have to rein this in or title ix teams that sue university foundations for inequity will slow it down

sounds like A&M is just waiting on the green light to really up the game with their NIL
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:02 pm to
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Laws in Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri and a bill in Texas (it awaits the governor’s signature) feature language to permit a school’s non-profit fundraising arm to provide NIL deals, and prohibits the NCAA or any other enforcement arm (i.e., the SEC) from penalizing a school in the state for following the law.

Soon in Texas, Texas A&M donors will earn priority points through the school’s fundraising arm for donations that eventually funnel to athletes.

Meanwhile, on the Florida Gulf Coast, where the SEC’s most powerful officials gather this week in Destin for their annual league meetings, none of the above is permitted. If the University of Florida carried out those actions, it would be in violation of NCAA rule and its own state law — the same can be said for a handful of other SEC schools in Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee.

“What NIL has become is universities going out through their foundations and collectives and raising dollars to give to athletes. They’re just paying them to come play and there is no limit on that,” says Mississippi State president Mark Keenum, the longest-serving president in the league

The collective model is a roundabout way for schools and their boosters to get money into athletes’ hands without handing the cash directly to them. The collective provides organizational oversight, finds NIL endeavors for athletes, creates a system of pay distribution and, most importantly, acts as a legal buffer.

One SEC athletic director describes the situation in blunt terms: “Let’s be honest, we are all money laundering.”

A school having the ability to operate NIL through its fundraising arm is a significant advantage. It affords universities more control and oversight over NIL payments and gives them a staff of veteran fundraisers to mine an established base of high-level donors who, in Texas A&M’s case, will receive priority points for contributions.

At LSU, the Tiger Athletic Foundation, like the 12th Man, is legally separate from the university. Officials in Baton Rouge are seriously exploring the same model as Texas A&M, but like other schools, they are waiting for any action from the governing body of college sports.

Michael Leroy, an Illinois law professor who has published extensive work on labor policy, believes the Texas A&M situation could eventually be used in the NCAA’s court battle in the Johnson case—a fight over whether athletes are employees.

Many experts already believe college athletes meet many of the indicators used to determine employment. For starters, Leroy says, athletes are in a “controlled environment” for “work,” such as playing games and attending practices. Someone also benefits financially from the work, such as coaches, administrators, etc.

It has all the appearances of an in-house payroll system,” he says. “This reflects how short-sighted schools are. Everybody is trying to out-compete the next guy and they don’t have a strategy for tackling the big picture. In the course of doing this, they harm their long-term interest in protecting the amateurism model.”

Arthur Bryant, an attorney specializing in Title IX violations, believes schools are violating the federal statute that prohibits gender-based discrimination. Male athletes are receiving more NIL cash than female athletes, he contends.

Great article.

Way too much to summarize here, but it's essentially making the case that differing state rules are affecting what their respective programs can and cannot do, with no apparent oversight (from the SEC or NCAA as a whole).
Posted by Diamondawg
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:23 pm to
NCAA screwed the pooch on this and transfer portal. I am anxiously awaiting the eruptions in locker rooms where one player get a million and another only get $50k. Or better yet, the women's programs where the best volleyball player gets zilch.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:29 pm to
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I am anxiously awaiting the eruptions in locker rooms where one player get a million and another only get $50k

I believe we've already seen it happen.

Remember that Texas A&M class that essentially started all of this?

Probably due to the scenario you're describing, they went 5–7, and (at least at one point) they lost a total of 24 scholarship players to the transfer portal within two months.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:31 pm to
I’m just happy lsu is showing how to do NIL the ethical way
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:33 pm to
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I’m just happy lsu is showing how to do NIL the ethical way

From the text above...
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At LSU, officials in Baton Rouge are seriously exploring the same model as Texas A&M
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:34 pm to
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Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:37 pm to
It's only money laundering if it breaks the state law. It's only a penalty if the ref throws the flag.

The state owns NIL through their bylaws and TAMU and others who have written aggressive versions of NIL are simply telling the NCAA and the feds, stop us if you can.
Posted by Diamondawg
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:38 pm to
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I believe we've already seen it happen.

Remember that Texas A&M class that essentially started all of this?

Probably due to the scenario you're describing, they went 5–7, and (at least at one point) they lost a total of 24 scholarship players to the transfer portal within two months.

I guess I knew some of that was going on but didn't follow it closely enough to know the reason(s).
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:41 pm to
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The state owns NIL through their bylaws and TAMU and others who have written aggressive versions of NIL are simply telling the NCAA and the feds, stop us if you can.



The ncaa is impotent and won't stop anything.

The feds includes the department of labor.
It is obvious what they want (employee status and unionization of college athletes).
That is what will bite the universities in the arse.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:43 pm to
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I knew some of that was going on

Just speculation on my part, but losing the locker room over NIL is a pretty reasonable assumption as to why things fell apart there so dramatically like it did.

At least that's what I think we can gather, based on reports and rumors circulating at the time.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:47 pm to
I can only repeat what I've been told.

But you are accurate in the assessment of the first wave of NIL deals.

The UGAs and Bamas are coming out smelling like roses in that the first efforts for NIL were in retention and not mercs.
There is a heavy emphasis at UGA and Bama to earn the deals. They will be larger. And they will also lead to better draft opportunities (where the real money is made).
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:59 pm to
the employee part of the equation than brings in other issues like retirement that the university will have to cover
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:03 pm to
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There is a heavy emphasis at UGA and Bama to earn the deals

Despite what people love to suggest here, the thought that Saban (or Smart, who was obviously influenced by Saban) would let the inmates run the asylum just to win games is profoundly illogical.

As I've said, this idea of significant "pay to play" without first earning it on the field will be the straw that ultimately drives Saban to retire — not old age.

Coaches of that mold would think it an abomination to lose all semblance of control in the locker room, especially before those kids even step on campus.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:05 pm to
I would say Miami does. A&M has a good one… top 5-7 worth. Not sure if top 5 NIL.

Most of Ags NIL prowess is Rant speculation.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:24 pm to
Duh, it's basically the same as prostitution.
Posted by Mulkey Man
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:28 pm to
The NCAA should just do away with the rules leading to the sham "collectives" and just let the schools handle the NILs.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:34 pm to
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NCAA screwed the pooch on this and transfer portal. I am anxiously awaiting the eruptions in locker rooms where one player get a million and another only get $50k. Or better yet, the women's programs where the best volleyball player gets zilch.

Honestly I think NIL has benefited attractive female athletes the most.
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