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Older LSU and Aggy fans, explain to me something about the series history
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:07 am
I was looking at the LSU vs Aggy series history in Wikipedia to accurately respond to a troll thread... Classic...
But then I actually got genuinely curious about something:
LSU and A&M played an annual game against each other from 1942-1949, 1955-1956, and 1960-1975. They also played a bowl game in 1944. Excluding the bowl game in Miami, FL, this means that the Tigers and the Aggies met 26 times from 1942 to 1975... 25 of those games were in Baton Rouge, LA and 1 was in Dallas, Tx.
Why would A&M agree to come to Baton Rouge every year without a return trip?
But then I actually got genuinely curious about something:
LSU and A&M played an annual game against each other from 1942-1949, 1955-1956, and 1960-1975. They also played a bowl game in 1944. Excluding the bowl game in Miami, FL, this means that the Tigers and the Aggies met 26 times from 1942 to 1975... 25 of those games were in Baton Rouge, LA and 1 was in Dallas, Tx.
Why would A&M agree to come to Baton Rouge every year without a return trip?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:10 am to GeauxPack81
Special request by the State legislature -- they wanted to keep those inbreds on the other side of the Sabine at all costs.
In all seriousness though -- it was probably all about the $$ (at least once they stopped trying to pay us in Confederate War Bonds).
In all seriousness though -- it was probably all about the $$ (at least once they stopped trying to pay us in Confederate War Bonds).
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:11 am to GeauxPack81
Lots of history between the two programs, love you guys
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:14 am to GeauxPack81
LSU wouldn't agree to a home and home with A&M then for the same reason A&M wouldn't agree to a home and home with, say, The Citadel now. A&M was a much, much different place in the 50s. It was fantastic, but it was a relatively small, all male, military and farming college.
Women were not admitted into A&M until 1963.
Women were not admitted into A&M until 1963.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 10:16 am
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:17 am to GeauxPack81
So what you are saying is LSU has historically had the upper hand and still only has a 60% win rate?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:19 am to slacker00
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So what you are saying is LSU has historically had the upper hand and still only has a 60% win rate?
That is affirmative.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:45 am to slacker00
I don't understand why your comment is getting downvotes. It's indisputably true. It's simply an empirical fact.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:47 am to GeauxPack81
Texas fans will always dismiss this, but the lopsided nature of our series with them was run up mostly in the 30 years after WWII. They still had the upper hand before that, but from 1945 until 1974 they went 27-3. In that same period, LSU went 17-4-1.
Compared to LSU and Texas in that period, A&M was a small military school like The Citadel. Like the small eastern schools, we could do OK in the early part of the century. After the war, the game changed and favored larger state schools like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, etc.
Once we made the switch to a more traditional model, and scholly limits were introduced, we could compete evenly. That's why the series with Texas is even after 1974, and why the series with LSU since then is 11-8 in LSU's favor, and 7-5 in ours before Sumlin slept through it.
Compared to LSU and Texas in that period, A&M was a small military school like The Citadel. Like the small eastern schools, we could do OK in the early part of the century. After the war, the game changed and favored larger state schools like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, etc.
Once we made the switch to a more traditional model, and scholly limits were introduced, we could compete evenly. That's why the series with Texas is even after 1974, and why the series with LSU since then is 11-8 in LSU's favor, and 7-5 in ours before Sumlin slept through it.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:48 am to Ag Zwin
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Texas fans will always dismiss this, but the lopsided nature of our series with them was run up mostly in the 30 years after WWII. They still had the upper hand before that, but from 1945 until 1974 they went 27-3. In that same period, LSU went 17-4-1.
Compared to LSU and Texas in that period, A&M was a small military school like The Citadel. Like the small eastern schools, we could do OK in the early part of the century. After the war, the game changed and favored larger state schools like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, etc.
Once we made the switch to a more traditional model, and scholly limits were introduced, we could compete evenly. That's why the series with Texas is even after 1974, and why the series with LSU since then is 11-8 (in LSU's favor).
FACTS
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:50 am to GeauxPack81
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Why would A&M agree to come to Baton Rouge every year without a return trip?
They knew LSU had the poors, so they thought they'd help a lesser soul with a charity game.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:51 am to GeauxPack81
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I was looking at the LSU vs Aggy series history in Wikipedia to accurately respond to a troll thread... Classic...
But then I actually got genuinely curious about something:
LSU and A&M played an annual game against each other from 1942-1949, 1955-1956, and 1960-1975. They also played a bowl game in 1944. Excluding the bowl game in Miami, FL, this means that the Tigers and the Aggies met 26 times from 1942 to 1975... 25 of those games were in Baton Rouge, LA and 1 was in Dallas, Tx.
Why would A&M agree to come to Baton Rouge every year without a return trip?
Here's the real answer for you. Up until the '80s, schools used to split the gate 50/50. So, if you're A&M, playing in a stadium half the size, which you have a hard time filling, you make more money by going to Baton Rouge every year than you would by playing home and home. Hell, Bear Bryant even agreed to play Rice in Houston every year (of course, the split between A&M fans and Rice fans at a game in Houston was probably 50/50).
A&M expanded Kyle Field to 70,000 about the time these 50/50 deals were ending, and at the time, LSU wasn't interested in playing in College Station. But, a few years later, they finally agreed to a home and home arrangement which lasted for 10 years, and, depending on who you believe, either ended because the SEC expanded and LSU didn't have space on the schedule, or because LSU lost five in a row.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:54 am to twk
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a few years later, they finally agreed to a home and home arrangement which lasted for 10 years, and, depending on who you believe, either ended because the SEC expanded and LSU didn't have space on the schedule, or because LSU lost five in a row.
You are exceedingly generous.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:17 am to Hugh McElroy
It's always been a good series. It unfortunately ended back in the Nineties when the Aggies backed out of the contract. LSU has just never taken them seriously as a football school. But the rivalry seems to be heating up.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:21 am to genuineLSUtiger
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It's always been a good series. It unfortunately ended back in the Nineties when the Aggies backed out of the contract.
Now that is a quality troll ... it will get the Aggie fans coming out in droves!
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:25 am to twk
Regardless of the reason for it ending 25 years ago, I'm glad the series has returned to a home and home every year. It has all the makings of a great matchup going forward.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:34 am to Ag Zwin
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Texas fans will always dismiss this, but the lopsided nature of our series with them was run up mostly in the 30 years after WWII.
Always funny to hear a twenty or thirty something year old Texass fan give a history lesson on the all time series wins by UT vs A&M. I couldn't give two fricks what happened 60 70 80 90 or 100 years ago when it domes to football.
In my lifetime we are basically dead even in terms of wins losses in football. As for the B12 the fact remains Texass has 3 total football titles. OU has something like 8. A&M has 1 and we have been out of the conference for 6 years.
OU owns football in the B12. Texass is just part of distant pack. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't know much about them.
They struck lighting with Vince Young, just like Auburn with Cam. Otherwise not a whole lot in 50 years.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:39 am to Tridentds
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They struck lighting with Vince Young, just like Auburn. Otherwise not a whole lot in 50 years.
But, but, but...what about Cote's shoulder? They had that game won, no doubt. He could throw a football over the them mountains over there.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:41 am to GeauxPack81
For the same reason Southeaster Louisiana plays at LSU. One program is far superior than the other.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:52 am to Ag Zwin
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Texas fans will always dismiss this, but the lopsided nature of our series with them was run up mostly in the 30 years after WWII. They still had the upper hand before that, but from 1945 until 1974 they went 27-3. In that same period, LSU went 17-4-1.
Compared to LSU and Texas in that period, A&M was a small military school like The Citadel. Like the small eastern schools, we could do OK in the early part of the century. After the war, the game changed and favored larger state schools like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, etc.
Once we made the switch to a more traditional model, and scholly limits were introduced, we could compete evenly. That's why the series with Texas is even after 1974, and why the series with LSU since then is 11-8 in LSU's favor, and 7-5 in ours before Sumlin slept through it.
Thank you. Interesting, never knew the history of A&M. I just figured they were always a larger school, even when they were all male.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 12:04 pm to slacker00
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So what you are saying is LSU has historically had the upper hand and still only has a 60% win rate?
Yes, I am saying that LSU leads the series 33-21-3 and that the largest % of those games were in Tiger Stadium
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