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Oklahoma and Georgia started all this
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:14 pm
I think most will agree that dollars are driving this, and TV’s are driving the dollars.
There was a time when only a couple of games were televised each week. You wanted to see your team? Go buy your $8 ticket and watch it in person.
The NCAA had it all under control.
Then, like so many other times, the lawyers fricked it all up. Georgia and Oklahoma sued the NCAA to break their stranglehold on TV scheduling. Went all the way to SCOTUS, who ruled in their favor.
The floodgates were opened, and here we are now.
Thanks, guys. Well done.
(Not gonna dig for it, but safe to assume there might have been a Texas/Alabama “media darling” factor in all this.)
UPI article from back in the day
There was a time when only a couple of games were televised each week. You wanted to see your team? Go buy your $8 ticket and watch it in person.
The NCAA had it all under control.
Then, like so many other times, the lawyers fricked it all up. Georgia and Oklahoma sued the NCAA to break their stranglehold on TV scheduling. Went all the way to SCOTUS, who ruled in their favor.
The floodgates were opened, and here we are now.
Thanks, guys. Well done.
(Not gonna dig for it, but safe to assume there might have been a Texas/Alabama “media darling” factor in all this.)
UPI article from back in the day
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:19 pm to Ag Zwin
It's true. I think the year was 1985 or '86. Never dreamed it would end up like this. Nobody did.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:19 pm to Ag Zwin
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$8 ticket
Dayum, when and where the heck was this?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:23 pm to Hback
Dayum, when and where the heck was this?
80s. NCAA spent a lot effort trying to punish OU for this.
80s. NCAA spent a lot effort trying to punish OU for this.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:23 pm to Ag Zwin
My interest in college sports has been dwindling ever since.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:26 pm to Hback
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$8 ticket
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Dayum, when and where the heck was this?
I was being charitable to the lesser teams. Elite games, of course, were subject to a premium.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 6:32 pm to Ag Zwin
Great old aerial shot of Kyle Field. Holy cow it has changed.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:00 pm to Ag Zwin
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There was a time when only a couple of games were televised each week. You wanted to see your team? Go buy your $8 ticket and watch it in person.
The NCAA had it all under control.
Yeah, watching college football all day Saturday on multiple TVs sucks.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:39 pm to Ag Zwin
And it has come to this: a quote from Phognet, a Kansas football forum.
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There's something to be said for adding an automatic W to everyone's schedule.
We've been going about these sales pitches all wrong, trying to convince conferences of the potential we have to become respectable again.
I say sell the doormat angle
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:44 pm to Hback
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$8 ticket
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Dayum, when and where the heck was this?
lol, yeah $8 might get you a beer, now.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:48 pm to Ag Zwin
frick off. If it wasn’t for us you’d only see Alabama, Ohio St, and ND play every weekend
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:56 pm to Ag Zwin
Y'all weren't upset about all that TV money you've been getting and now you wanna blame OU and georgia for making your league rich?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:12 pm to Ag Zwin
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Oklahoma and Georgia started all this
I think most will agree that dollars are driving this, and TV’s are driving the dollars.
There was a time when only a couple of games were televised each week. You wanted to see your team? Go buy your $8 ticket and watch it in person.
The NCAA had it all under control.
Then, like so many other times, the lawyers fricked it all up. Georgia and Oklahoma sued the NCAA to break their stranglehold on TV scheduling. Went all the way to SCOTUS, who ruled in their favor.
The floodgates were opened, and here we are now.
Thanks, guys. Well done.
(Not gonna dig for it, but safe to assume there might have been a Texas/Alabama “media darling” factor in all this.)
UPI article from back in the day
Old news for us older farts. That ruling has its roots back in the 1970's. Several Historical markers. Prior to President Nixon Signing Title IX in the Summer of 1972, schools would sign 35 to 40 players and teams at SEC, SWC, BIG8, etc would have rosters of 140 to 150.
After 1972 Title IX, the easiest way to comply with Title IX was to put restrictions on Scholarships for football.
1) Historical marker 1: In 1973, limit was set at 105
2) NCAA since 1953 controlled College football and starting with ABC getting it in about 1966, TV ratings began to grow. 1969, first prime time game (Bama and Ole Miss) and by the 1970's ABC TV revenues were growing. The NCAA restricted how many times you can be on TV (national) I think to 6 times in a 2 year period. To
3) The President of Long Beach State in 1975 proposed taking all the NCAA football money and allowing the D1 (which was then maybe 65-70 schools) to keep 50% and giving 25% to D2 and 25% to D3 and put scholarships at 65. The Big schools threatened back then to form a 4th division but NCAA threatened, etc, they backed off. Scholarships were set at 95 and TV money was not allocated.
4) By 1980 some 130 schools now in D1 (to try to get NCAA D1 TV money). The SEC, SWC, BIG8, ACC and Notre Dame formed the CFA, BIG10/PAC10 formed an alliance and NCAA football was split between CBS and ABC, more money started flowing in but the NCAA still did not allow teams to negotiate on their own. And OU and UGA started doing pay for view with local Cable providers to televise their home games in their own respective states when they were not on NCAA sponsored College Football. The NCAA sued an the SCOTUS ruled 7-2 in favor of UGA and OU on the grounds that the NCAA was violating the "Sherman Anti Trust Act"
So at that point, the entire basis of the NCAA was on shaky constitutional grounds. Nobody threated to pull away but it did bring about teams and Conferences negotiating TV deals. I remember the SEC having deals with Turners WTBS Superstation in the late 1980's (Bob Neal was the Announcer, did the Braves games back then).
SWC starts to implode, Arkansas leaves for the SEC in 1991, Roy Kramer finds that he can have a playoff game (SEC makes more Money) and no surprise the NCAA puts in a 85 Scholarship limit in 1992.
Lots of other rules came into place, like how large a teams Media guide could be (unfair recruiting advantage) what you could put into it (unfair recruiting advantage) how many on field coaches you can have, etc.
June of this year, SCOTUS 9-0 ruled against NCAA on NIL on "Anti Trust grounds"
So writing the obituary of the NCAA, the 1970's was the starting point and 1984 SCOTUS was the first legal ruling that pointed to the NCAA's amateur model being on shaky grounds. And as TV money grew, coaches salaries grew, etc, etc, there is no surprise we got to here.
The late great SI sportswriter Frank Deford predicted the NCAA would implode as far back as 1975. Check out this article.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:52 pm to Ag Zwin
NEVER has a truer statement been spoken. I was thinking about this last night. 1984 Oklahoma UGA vs the NCAA. The NCAA had allowed CBS and ABC to have college football and NBC along with Mizlou could do bowl games. The NCAA had made it a point to keep out ESPN aside from 're-broadcasts of games on Sunday afternoon. When OU and Uga won their lawsuit it gave the conference's the ability to negotiate their own tv deals. In 1984, now college football became big business. The opening weekend of 1984 you had two big games in the sec. Boston college vs Bama and Florida Miami. And got the Bama BC game but low and behold, little espn worked a deal with the sec to show Florida Miami as its first ever LIVE regular season broadcast by actually borrowing money to pay the sec.
College football didn't die today or with the playoffs..it died in the summer of 1984. SMU didn't help things either btw.
College football didn't die today or with the playoffs..it died in the summer of 1984. SMU didn't help things either btw.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:56 pm to TouchdownTony
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College football didn't die today or with the playoffs..it died in the summer of 1984.
Damn that’s a long and well attended funeral.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:06 pm to JKChesterton
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JKChesterton
You typed all that up?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:08 pm to Ag Zwin
I remember buying eight-dollar tickets
In 1987
In 1987
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:12 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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frick off. If it wasn’t for us you’d only see Alabama, Ohio St, and ND play every weekend
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:20 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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frick off. If it wasn’t for us you’d only see Alabama, Ohio St, and ND play every weekend
Cool your tits, Nancy. It’s a discussion board post. Nobody is going to hurt you.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:24 pm to Ag Zwin
I did. Like I said, old school, saw my first LSU game as a young kid in 1970. This stuff is pretty much known history for those of us who watched ball in the 70's
NCAA's structural problems start in the mid 1970's. Schools with different missions and size being in D1 should have been dealt with then.
As an FYI, not sure if you follow college basketball but it to had the same issues, went from 18 scholarships in D1, then to 15 now 13. As the NCAA tournament grew, from 8,16 to 32 (not sure which years) etc, then 40 in 1979, the year Larry Bird and Magic played, who LSU lost to in the sweet 16 (still to this day the highest rated NCAA final four in history), more and more teams moved from D2 to D1. By the time Jordan played in 1982, was 48 and 64 by 1985. Today some 353 play D1. Why do you think that is? Should all those teams be playing together in D1? It is simple, the $10.8 Billion dollar NCAA final four is allocated among all member schools, which is what the President of Long Beach wanted to do with football back in 1975, except take it from D1 and give it to D2 and D3.
Cheers
NCAA's structural problems start in the mid 1970's. Schools with different missions and size being in D1 should have been dealt with then.
As an FYI, not sure if you follow college basketball but it to had the same issues, went from 18 scholarships in D1, then to 15 now 13. As the NCAA tournament grew, from 8,16 to 32 (not sure which years) etc, then 40 in 1979, the year Larry Bird and Magic played, who LSU lost to in the sweet 16 (still to this day the highest rated NCAA final four in history), more and more teams moved from D2 to D1. By the time Jordan played in 1982, was 48 and 64 by 1985. Today some 353 play D1. Why do you think that is? Should all those teams be playing together in D1? It is simple, the $10.8 Billion dollar NCAA final four is allocated among all member schools, which is what the President of Long Beach wanted to do with football back in 1975, except take it from D1 and give it to D2 and D3.
Cheers
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 9:37 pm
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