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Notre Dame has perfectly gamed the system
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:24 am
Notre Dame is in the ACC in Basketball. Per their contract, they have to play 4 or 5 ACC opponents every year.
This way, they get to play teams from arguably the worst conference in the country, such as FSU, Pitt, Wake Forest, and Syracuse (teams they played this year). They get to play these games, but don’t have to compete in the ACCCG.
If Notre Dame plays these shitty ACC teams, they should have to either totally join the conference, or play Clemson every year. It’s too easy for both teams to get in.
Imagine Georgia playing all of their games against the East, but not playing Alabama, Auburn, or LSU. That is the equivalent.
This way, they get to play teams from arguably the worst conference in the country, such as FSU, Pitt, Wake Forest, and Syracuse (teams they played this year). They get to play these games, but don’t have to compete in the ACCCG.
If Notre Dame plays these shitty ACC teams, they should have to either totally join the conference, or play Clemson every year. It’s too easy for both teams to get in.
Imagine Georgia playing all of their games against the East, but not playing Alabama, Auburn, or LSU. That is the equivalent.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 9:25 am
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:27 am to diddlydawg7
Why don't you come on in and help me sort my holy cards first ...
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:28 am to diddlydawg7
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Georgia Fan
you lost
get over it
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:29 am to diddlydawg7
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Notre Dame has perfectly gamed the system
Yeah
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Notre Dame is in the ACC in Basketball. Per their contract, they have to play 4 or 5 ACC opponents every year.
Why use a basketball point then move into football?
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This way, they get to play teams from arguably the worst conference in the country, such as FSU, Pitt, Wake Forest, and Syracuse (teams they played this year). They get to play these games, but don’t have to compete in the ACCCG.
Never considered FSU to be the worst football in the ACC...They are historically pretty good.
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If Notre Dame plays these shitty ACC teams, they should have to either totally join the conference, or play Clemson every year. It’s too easy for both teams to get in.
Schedules are set well in advance and they don;'t chose the shite teams to play.
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Imagine Georgia playing all of their games against the East, but not playing Alabama, Auburn, or LSU. That is the equivalent.
This is pretty much how it is. You guys face two West opponents every year and the East has been significantly down the last few years. I mean Mizzou won it twice, Florida won the east twice (not very good teams at all), and now Georgia has won it twice, and not making the CFP this year because of a West team.
I guess I really don't know what you are arguing here.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:31 am to diddlydawg7
I wish we still had the classic independents like Notre Dame, Miami, Penn State, and a few others. I know why they did all of this conference expansion but I just wish the schools could make the same money without selling out like that. It's just fricked up all kinds of rivalries and the landscape of college football. Notre Dame should be an independent. I don't care if they don't play a 13th game. Sometimes it will help them, sometimes it will hurt them.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:31 am to finchmeister08
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finchmeister08
I’m never watching your simulation streams again.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:33 am to jlovel7
That’s my point. Be a real independent. Schedule 2 SEC, 2 B1G, 2 BIG XII, 2 PAC, 2 ACC, and 2 cupcakes
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:35 am to finchmeister08
N. Dame played
Michigan, Northwestern from the Big 10
Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, FSU (Who is usually good), Syracuse, VT from the ACC
Stanford and USC from the Pac 12
A lot of those teams are traditionally very strong. This year they are down.
Who did UGA beat? Auburn, Florida and UK? How about OOC? Middle Tenn, Umass, Georgia Tech, and Austin Peay (Play somebody and then complain) They played one half of great football against Bama, is that enough?
Michigan, Northwestern from the Big 10
Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, FSU (Who is usually good), Syracuse, VT from the ACC
Stanford and USC from the Pac 12
A lot of those teams are traditionally very strong. This year they are down.
Who did UGA beat? Auburn, Florida and UK? How about OOC? Middle Tenn, Umass, Georgia Tech, and Austin Peay (Play somebody and then complain) They played one half of great football against Bama, is that enough?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:36 am to diddlydawg7
Notre Dame doesn't go around playing Arkansas States or Citadels.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:38 am to diddlydawg7
As bad as ND has been the last 30 years even they have a more recent National Championship than Georgia 
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:47 am to diddlydawg7
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That’s my point. Be a real independent. Schedule 2 SEC, 2 B1G, 2 BIG XII, 2 PAC, 2 ACC, and 2 cupcakes
That would be awesome, but guess how many high powered P5 teams want to come to South Bend after the third week of October unless forced to?
I'll answer it for you: zero.
It was the single biggest problem we were facing and why we agreed to the ACC deal more than anything else.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:48 am to Jake_LaMotta
Bless your heart.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:52 am to diddlydawg7
Yeah Notre Dame has been gaming the system since the 90s. Hopefully in ~20 years their fanbase will dwindle and they won't have the power they have now.
I've only met 1 ND fan under the age of 45.
Here's to hoping the blue hairs die off and Notre Dame has to join a conference like the rest of us.
I've only met 1 ND fan under the age of 45.
Here's to hoping the blue hairs die off and Notre Dame has to join a conference like the rest of us.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:23 am to LB84
Notre dame is playoff bait. Just give clemson a bye
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:26 am to diddlydawg7
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This way, they get to play teams from arguably the worst conference in the country, such as FSU, Pitt, Wake Forest, and Syracuse (teams they played this year). They get to play these games, but don’t have to compete in the ACCCG.
They also played Michigan, Stanford, Northwestern and Southern Cal this year. Michigan was a Top 10 team and USC ended up sucking but that's not Notre Dame's fault.
So the 4-5 ACC + Michigan + Stanford + USC + 8-5 Northwestern.
Their future non-ACC games
2019 - @ Georgia, USC, @ Michigan, @ Stanford
2020 - Arkansas, Wisconsin, Stanford, @ USC
2021 - Purdue, Wisconsin, USC, @ Stanford
2022 - @ Ohio State, Stanford, @ USC
I mean, that's not exactly chopped liver.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean, that's not exactly chopped liver.
and clemson rolls onto the schedule 2 of the next 4 years I believe.
People are just pissy that notre dame actually ended up winning all their games, in a fluky year that most of the "big" teams they faced (USC, VT, FSU) all had down years at the same time. This is an anomaly.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:28 am to WG_Dawg
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and clemson rolls onto the schedule 2 of the next 4 years I believe.
People are just pissy that notre dame actually ended up winning all their games, in a fluky year that most of the "big" teams they faced (USC, VT, FSU) all had down years at the same time. This is an anomaly.
Exactly, and their schedule was still filled with potential pitfalls and they went undefeated. How many other teams would have gone 12-0 with that schedule? Maybe 5-6? People are acting like they won the American or the Sun Belt.
Clemson's schedule is MUCH worse than Notre Dame's was.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 11:19 am to diddlydawg7
ND is unique in that it is a National University with a wide following of fans. They don’t need to join a conference. The way they schedule is fine. Year in and year out, their schedule compares favorably to any P5 school and typically is stronger than 80+% of them.
They are great for CFB. I get it that some are jealous of them and spew hate towards them.
Some revel when the Irish lose. I pull them except when they SEC teams. Although, I will admit to pulling for them against LSU in the last two bowl games. It was nothing against LSU by the way and if the Tigers had won , I would have been good with it.
But they did not Game the system this year. They caught some fortune with some of their opponents having off years but that is not their fault.
ND’s 2019 schedule is loaded on paper but what happens if Jawja lays an egg, USCw is down, Michigan is only good, Stanford stays grounded, Va Tech and Louie Ville are bad, Navy, Duke, VA, BC are only ok teams.
Then everybody will be whining again, Notre Dame played wimpy schedule and they are overrated. But if they win every game, are they really overrated?
They are great for CFB. I get it that some are jealous of them and spew hate towards them.
Some revel when the Irish lose. I pull them except when they SEC teams. Although, I will admit to pulling for them against LSU in the last two bowl games. It was nothing against LSU by the way and if the Tigers had won , I would have been good with it.
But they did not Game the system this year. They caught some fortune with some of their opponents having off years but that is not their fault.
ND’s 2019 schedule is loaded on paper but what happens if Jawja lays an egg, USCw is down, Michigan is only good, Stanford stays grounded, Va Tech and Louie Ville are bad, Navy, Duke, VA, BC are only ok teams.
Then everybody will be whining again, Notre Dame played wimpy schedule and they are overrated. But if they win every game, are they really overrated?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 11:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Clemson's schedule is MUCH worse than Notre Dame's was.
Yep.. at least a few weeks ago, Clemson's SOS was closer to UCF's than it was to UGA/Bama... Yet no one seems to be hammering them for it.
Ultimately, it would be better for CFB if ND was forced to join a conference. Independent of this year's results, I think it would be best if the committee essentially enforced the equivalent of a "conceded loss" for any team that doesn't play in a conference championship game for comparison sake. This likely wouldn't have changed the outcome of this year's CFP rankings, since it still would have been a "mythical" 12-1 ND vs 11-2 UGA... but the idea of sitting at home and benefitting from not playing seems silly... there should be a penalty for not making it to the game or in the case of ND, electing to not join a conference and eliminating the possibility from your schedule. It would also help to fix what is a pretty broken ACC right now, where there just isn't a real challenger on the opposite side of the division from Clemson (and FSU if/when they return to "normal").
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:02 pm to diddlydawg7
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Notre Dame has perfectly gamed the system
Meh. In the current system, they're not alone there. Let them in to get stomped...again. Then we don't have to hear about them for another 5-6 years.
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