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No SEC team plays 10 or more P5 Opponents

Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:16 pm
Posted by Jebadeb
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:16 pm
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Certainly a misleading stat imo. But people will clearly view this as an easier route to the CFP.

Is there an issue with scheduling?

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CFB schedule facts:

11 B1G teams play at least 10 Power 5 foes, 12 if counting BYU as P5; 3 play 11

9 B12 teams play 10 P5 foes

8 P12 teams play 10/more P5, 10 if counting BYU

5 ACC teams play 10 P5; Notre Dame plays 10 P5

0 SEC teams play 10 P5 games; Arkansas plays 8 P5


Not sure why Ark was singled out.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37559 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:23 pm to
Some P5 teams, especially some of those in the ACC, may be members of a P5 conference but they play like non-P5 programs.

That's why they came-up with the FPI. FPI is the metric these days and even the FPI has its faults.

Which is the better football program? ECU, Troy, La Tech? Or Wake Forest, Duke, Virginia? Or for that matter add Maryland to that comparison.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21302 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:24 pm to
Every league should play a 9 game schedule and only power 5 out of conference. It'd be a huge shot in the arm to big time college football. The little guys....well, sorry.
Posted by BamaSaint
Mobile, Al
Member since Mar 2013
2938 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:24 pm to
A 9 or 10 game SEC schedule will stop this talk
Posted by Rillo
Member since Aug 2018
605 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:25 pm to
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if the other conferences can’t get it done in the playoffs.
Posted by OKTGR580
Baton Rouge to Houston, TX
Member since Apr 2018
6318 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:27 pm to
Arkansas got a waiver on the P5 OOC requirement because Michigan backed out of a game against the hogs. True story.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
26667 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:27 pm to
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Is there an issue with scheduling?

There is if you are just looking at P5 opponents. The thing is there are a lot of non-P5 teams better than the P5 scrubs.

The SEC needs to start scheduling teams like Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, Maryland, Syracuse, Oregon State, etc.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:27 pm to
we play 9 P5 teams this year and do it every year.

last year we had 10.
Posted by SECUSC4
Member since Jun 2018
1355 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:28 pm to
9 and 10 were both top 25 teams, too. But no they still say we were only 9-4 because of our easy schedule.
Posted by ATLdawg25
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2014
4370 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:28 pm to
Arkansas was singled out because they are the only SEC team that only plays 8 power 5 opponents. Everyone else plays 9.
Posted by BamaSaint
Mobile, Al
Member since Mar 2013
2938 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:30 pm to
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The SEC needs to start scheduling teams like Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, Maryland, Syracuse, Oregon State, etc.

I agree but the narrative will change to, "The SEC doesn't play the top P5 teams!"
Posted by Rillo
Member since Aug 2018
605 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:31 pm to
Good point, either way we have a target because no one wants to admit we do it better than everyone else.

It took a whole new offensive strategy just to stir things up for a few years then we regained control for the most part.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
26667 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:32 pm to
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I agree but the narrative will change to, "The SEC doesn't play the top P5 teams!"

You would still have to schedule the big dogs, but instead of 3 non-P5 schools just play one or two of the gimps from other conferences.
Posted by dawgdayafternoon
Jacksonville, GA
Member since Jul 2011
21579 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

9 B12 teams play 10 P5 foes

Kansas shouldn't be considered a "P5 foe" anymore. They've won 15 games in 8 years.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:37 pm to
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9 and 10 were both top 25 teams, too. But no they still say we were only 9-4 because of our easy schedule.


well we lost to 10

eta:edited
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37559 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:39 pm to
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A 9 or 10 game SEC schedule will stop this talk

The SEC would be foolish to play a nine game conference schedule and then expect the two division champions to play a tenth game in Atlanta.

It would be suicidal.

Furthermore, when you've got SC, UF, UK and UGA playing P5 conference instate rivalry games on too boot ... it wouldn't be cool. All three of them Eastern Division members who are politically obligated, in their states, to play Clemson, FSU, Louisville and Ga Tech every year ... and honestly, vice versa for those ACC programs who play considerably easier conference schedules.

A&M no longer plays Texas, Nebraska no longer plays Oklahoma, hell Mizzou no longer plays Kansas even ... so what you would be forcing those four SEC East teams to do is drop their rivalry games and that is absolutely not going to happen in any of our lifetimes.

It is what it is but it would be suicidal for the SEC overall given the nature of the SECCG and the toughness of the league.

The B1G is the only other conference that can make the same legitimate argument right now but they also don't have to deal with as many of their members having instate must-played rivalry games. Hell, Michigan dropped ND when the B1G wemt to nine games and that was the closest any of them had to having such an OoC issue.

Didn't Kentucky and Indiana used to play every year back in the day until we went to eight games?

A ninth game is really not feasible for the SEC unless it is to make concessions for realigning the two divisions so that they can keep the TSIO game in tact or in the case of conference expansion to 16 teams with the addition of a North Carolina and Virginia team to our membership ... and that's not going to happen any time soon.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:54 pm to
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. Hell, Michigan dropped ND when the B1G wemt to nine games and that was the closest any of them had to having such an OoC issue.


ND exercised their option to drop them.
I remember Hoke got pissed and called them Chickens.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25159 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:59 pm to
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Arkansas got a waiver on the P5 OOC requirement because Michigan backed out of a game against the hogs. True story.




A year or two later Michigan backed out of a series with Virginia Tech... and replaced them with a Sunbelt team. Both were relatively last minute cancellations.

Every now and then cancellations are going to happen, its just the way college football works, but Michigan is starting to make a habit of it.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27289 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 4:00 pm to
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ECU, Troy, La Tech? Or Wake Forest, Duke, Virginia? Or for that matter add Maryland to that comparison.


I'LL take my chances with G5 over P5 on almost every occasion.Only UCF,Boise and maybe BYU would concern me
among the G5
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
26667 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Furthermore, when you've got SC, UF, UK and UGA playing P5 conference instate rivalry games on too boot

I'm pro-nine game SEC schedule but I will freely admit I would be vehemently opposed if I were a fan of one of these teams. It's going to make those teams choose between either having essentially the same schedule every year (when it comes to good teams) or playing some hellacious schedules.
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