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New BB hires
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:08 pm
List in order of impressiveness.
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:09 pm to Irons Puppet
1. Buzz Williams (by far)
2a/2b. Mussellman/Oats (good success at mid majors, coin flip if it works in P5)
Who the hell knows - Stackhouse
2a/2b. Mussellman/Oats (good success at mid majors, coin flip if it works in P5)
Who the hell knows - Stackhouse
This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:10 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Harder to win at Buffalo or Nevada ? I like Mussellman's style of play and will fit in with the SEC, similar to Pearl.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Musselman and Oats have FARRRR more upside than Buzz. With Buzz you know you're getting double digit losses every season and usually a first or second round NCAA tournament loss. He might make the elite eight once a decade, but that's his ceiling.
Musselman and Oats are future stars IMO. Musselman is walking into a great scenario with dandy talent at Arky.
Musselman and Oats are future stars IMO. Musselman is walking into a great scenario with dandy talent at Arky.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:17 pm to Irons Puppet
I'll bump this thread in about 4 years
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:17 pm to Irons Puppet
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Harder to win at Buffalo or Nevada ? I like Mussellman's style of play and will fit in with the SEC, similar to Pearl.
Buffalo had never been to a NCAA Tournament until 5 years ago. Nevada had been 7 times pre-Musselman. Regardless, neither is a VCU/Wichita/Murray St type mid major factory.
Both Oats and Mussellman play an agressive, fast, fun style. Oats a little more so. Oats teams were in the top 10% of CBB in tempo every year he was there.
This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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I like Mussellman's style of play and will fit in with the SEC, similar to Pearl.
He's also very outgoing like Pearl. I think Arky hit a homerun the more I watch his youtube videos.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The key for both Musselman and Oats is how will they recruit. I think Oats might up Musselman there. Musselman built his Nevada teams entirely on transfers. He also didnt recruit when he was at LSU. He's going to need home run assistants to do that for him in the high school/AAU ranks.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:20 pm to Gcockboi
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Musselman and Oats are future stars IMO. Musselman is walking into a great scenario with dandy talent at Arky.
I like what Oats has shown so far but you gotta prove you can do it at the highest level first. Lot of mid major stars have gone bust over the years.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:21 pm to thunderbird1100
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The key for both Musselman and Oats is how will they recruit. I think Oats might up Musselman there. Musselman built his Nevada teams entirely on transfers. He also didnt recruit when he was at LSU. He's going to need home run assistants to do that for him in the high school/AAU ranks.
Yea - I feel pretty good about Oats recruiting. I dunno if he'll be elite at it, but I think he'll be more than good enough. And he seems to know exactly what he wants to fit his style.
I'll be curious how Muss approaches his recruiting style at Arkansas. Like you said, his template at Nevada was unique.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'll be curious how Muss approaches his recruiting style at Arkansas. Like you said, his template at Nevada was unique.
I like Muss (he helped Johnny Jones' sad arse for a year here and helps get the non Ben Simmons team to the tournament), but more X and O's than his ability to get players by far.
I said it in a few other places, but now was the time for Muss to exit Nevada, his stock probably wouldn't get any higher. He's losing his entire starting group from this season and he had nobody lined up to replace them really (again was just waiting on transfer ranks).
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Buffalo had never been to a NCAA Tournament until 5 years ago. Nevada had been 7 times pre-Musselman. Regardless, neither is a VCU/Wichita/Murray St type mid major factory. Both Oats and Mussellman play an agressive, fast, fun style. Oats a little more so. Oats teams were in the top 10% of CBB in tempo every year he was there.
I know Buffalo competed in Divison II for years and decided to move up in the late 90s. Doesn't Bobby Hurley get a lot of credit for their success ?
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:57 pm to thunderbird1100
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I think Oats might up Musselman there. Musselman built his Nevada teams entirely on transfers.
Ever been to Nevada outside of Vegas ?
Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:59 pm to Irons Puppet
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Doesn't Bobby Hurley get a lot of credit for their success ?
4 years after he left?
Zero players on Hurley's last team were on Buffalo's roster this season or the season before. Hurley's last team had 2 underclassmen that played any minutes. 1 transferred to WKU, 1 transferred to Arizona State.
And the 2018 and 2019 Buffalo teams were better than either of Hurley's.
This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/8/19 at 1:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It would be pretty damn hard for anyone to get top-tier HS talent to sign on in Reno, Nevada... outside of being the airport for the Tahoe basin it's not exactly a destination.
The approach of relying on transfers was smart for Musselman at Nevada... we'll see if he adopts a different mentality for pipe-lining talent in the SEC.
The approach of relying on transfers was smart for Musselman at Nevada... we'll see if he adopts a different mentality for pipe-lining talent in the SEC.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 1:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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4 years after he left? Zero players on Hurley's last team were on Buffalo's roster this season. Hurley's last team had 2 underclassmen that played any minutes. 1 transferred to WKU, 1 transferred to Arizona State.
Bobby Hurley was credited with establishing the foundation at Buffalo, which is why he got the ASU job. The MAC is not a bad league, but Buffalo had to win their Tourney a couple of time in order to make the NCAAT.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 1:12 pm to Irons Puppet
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Bobby Hurley was credited with establishing the foundation at Buffalo, which is why he got the ASU job. The MAC is not a bad league, but Buffalo had to win their Tourney a couple of time in order to make the NCAAT.
Oats may or may not work at Alabama - but he took whatever Hurley had built and in 4 years had taken it to heights much higher than what Hurley had done by the time he left
With his own players, own development and his own system. Nobody really debates that.
This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/8/19 at 1:13 pm to Irons Puppet
Harder to win at buffalo.
Posted on 4/8/19 at 1:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Oats may or may not work at Alabama - but he took whatever Hurley had built and in 4 years had taken it to heights much higher than what Hurley had done by the time he left
With his own players, own development and his own system. Nobody really debates that.
I was just reading what the local press had to say about him. Again, he was well liked and given credit for this years success, but they always listed Hurley as the reason for where the program is today. Maybe Hurley was just popular with the local press.
As a fan of a school that always went after shiny objects when hiring their latest coach, I am always skeptical of the "jelly of the month" coaches every year.
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