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re: NCAA Tourney is flawed.

Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:34 pm to
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:34 pm to
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If they do it by their own admission, how is it dishonest or disingenuous?


Umm... this can't be a real question.

They are honest about being dishonest, and the guy asks how is that dishonest. Gump gonna Gump I guess.

They inject manipulation into a process that should be simple seeding. They review who teams struggled against and try to match them up with similar teams. My opinion is that they should just let the chips fall without consciously setting up certain match-ups.
This post was edited on 3/24/13 at 7:36 pm
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:39 pm to
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My opinion is that they should just let the chips fall without consciously setting up certain match-ups.


Why? Serious question. And cut it out with the "honesty" nonsense. There's nothing dishonest about what they do.

Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:46 pm to
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Why? Serious question. And cut it out with the "honesty" nonsense. There's nothing dishonest about what they do.



Why?

When any playoffs start do a group of men sit in a room and hand pick match-ups based on who teams struggled against? Say a team earned a 3 seed with 4 potential 6 seed match-ups, it would be dishonest and manipulating if a group of men decided which 6 seed played the 3 seed based off of the types of teams the 3 seed struggled against during the season. The NCAA committee shouldn't be looking at how a team handles a tough rebounding or how a team handles a small quick style ect when seeding, that is way too hands on.
This post was edited on 3/24/13 at 7:48 pm
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:48 pm to
adapt, improvise, win, survive, advance.


If Mizzou good do any of that you wouldn't be making this thread and holding onto it like it has any validity at all as if was the last piece of cornbread in Ethopia.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:50 pm to
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adapt, improvise, win, survive, advance.


If Mizzou good do any of that you wouldn't be making this thread and holding onto it like it has any validity at all as if was the last piece of cornbread in Ethopia.



Zou-session at maximum limits. This is in now way about Mizzou, and none of my concerns brought up in the thread reflect anything to do with Mizzou. It's a broad big picture issue.. I realize in troll-land it's hard to understand that someone is thinking of the 'whole' instead of just their individual school.
Posted by TheWalrus
Land of the Hogs
Member since Dec 2012
47600 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 8:00 pm to
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Say a team struggled only against big rebounding teams, the committee will try to match them up with a big rebounding team.


Hmm I wonder which team this could be...
Posted by BamaNixon
Stumptown
Member since Nov 2010
3266 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 8:15 pm to
quote:

They are honest about being dishonest, and the guy asks how is that dishonest. Gump gonna Gump I guess.



I won't generalize your stupidity to your entire fanbase, but your posts in this thread have been mind-blowingly idiotic. The NCAA Tourney Committee says "We make matchups that will cause the NCAA tournament to be more interesting with closer games," then they make matchups that cause the NCAA tournament to be more interesting with closer games. You call this refreshing honesty "dishonest." I can only assume that you do understand the definition of words. If they claimed to NOT do this, would you call that "honest"?

quote:

They inject manipulation into a process that should be simple seeding.


Describe to me how ranking all the teams in the tournament is, in any way, simple.

quote:

They review who teams struggled against and try to match them up with similar teams.


Seems logical if they have two goals (goals are in no particular order):

1. They want close games that keep people interested and that increase the popularity of the tournament.

2. They want the best, most well-rounded teams to advance.

quote:

My opinion is that they should just let the chips fall without consciously setting up certain match-ups.


That's nice. Just because the NCAA Tourney Committee doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they are dishonest. In fact, the evidence you've given proves that they are scrupulously honest.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 3/24/13 at 9:24 pm to
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I can only assume that you do understand the definition of words.


Think you're just lost. Your angle would be correct if I was saying that they're lying about how they're setting up the tournament, but I'm not. I'm saying that they purposely manipulate match-ups to exploit strengths/weaknesses, the act of consciously creating match-ups in this way instead of having a non-manipulative formula for seeding teams is the issue.

This post was edited on 3/24/13 at 9:25 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29252 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:16 am to
The biggest flaw isn't where teams are seeded, but the fact that two 13 seeds, all the 14 and 15 seeds, and even two 16 seeds were given byes in first round, while two 11 seeds and two 13 seeds had to play a first round game. Stupid. Make the 8 lowest seeds play in the first round. Bracket making 101. What's next...making a couple of 4 seeds play each other in a first round game?
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:46 am to
quote:

NCAA Tourney is flawed.


You think?
Posted by DCRebel
An office somewhere
Member since Aug 2009
17644 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

NCAA Tourney is flawed.



Which is why it's fun.

/thread
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23627 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 12:37 pm to
Well, let's try to be objective here, mograyback.

while you complain that a team faced a lower seed who displays proficiency in an area that gives the higher seed problems, that still is a lower seed. As in, it may be a strong rebounding team (relatively speaking), but for whatever reason it still isn't thought of as favorably as the higher seeded team. The higher seed should still have factors that enable it to advance; perhaps stronger guard-play, perhaps a deeper bench, perhaps it's just considered to be more talented.

You don't really want all the running teams in one bracket, all the physical teams in another, etc-- do you? Because then it isn't very entertaining, and very few upsets would happen.

And then, when you get to the Final Four, all you get is a clash of styles. You don't know if team A is a top 4, or a top 20 team, they just happened to be the best at banging around under the rim. They might lose by 40 to the best running team; might have lost by 30 to the next best running team, etc. Might not make the 2nd weekend in a balanced bracket.

Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Dystopia (but well cared for)
Member since Mar 2012
25235 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 12:51 pm to
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and that is why people are upset about the football approach.

It will be interesting to see exactly who is on committee and how they make selections. Just last year you had BCS#:
01. ND
02. UA
03. UF
04. Oregon

Do they pick a team that didn't win their division, didn't win their conference, have no conference to win? Would they have ruled out KSU/UGA/Stanford? Granted there will no longer be a formula and they pick however they choose...but do they pick best 4 or the 4 that will have best TV ratings/matchups?



Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9908 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:13 pm to
There will always be issues with everything. Doesn't matter how hard you try.
quote:

but it's pretty bogus that Kansas just played a home game against UNC in an environment that should be neutral.

Bad example. This is first time that I can remember Duke and UNC not having home games in NC. I thought it was in the NCAA rules to have a site in NC every year for Duke and UNC to play in. For all that it would of been fair for UNC to play KU in Lawrence
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34327 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

I'm saying that they purposely manipulate match-ups to exploit strengths/weaknesses


If you are really the best team you would beat anyone. Tourney logic is actually pretty perfect.
Posted by EvilVodka
Member since Dec 2012
810 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:19 pm to
Is the tourney flawed? of course it is....basketball is very prone to upsets, that's why the NBA plays a series of games for every round...

Sorry, but I'd say Georgetown beats FGCU in a best of 7 series...
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