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Nate Oats will never sniff the final 4 with his system
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:00 am
When the 3-point shot doesn't fall they are an average to below-average team. In the NCAA tourney, once you get to the sweet 16 you're going to run into teams that are elite at guarding the 3 ball and kick outs. Especially in the elite 8 and final 4. I just don't see him ever getting over the hump with his style.
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Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:00 am to ruffleforeskin
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:02 am to ruffleforeskin
I feel the same way only bc my team sucks at 3’s lol I wished we had the shooters Bama/Mizzou have when they get cooking
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:02 am to ruffleforeskin
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When the 3-point shot doesn't fall they are an average to below-average team. In the NCAA tourney, once you get to the sweet 16 you're going to run into teams that are elite at guarding the 3 ball and kick outs. Especially in the elite 8 and final 4. I just don't see him ever getting over the hump with his style.
Alabama beat Michigan State at a neutral site by 11 while going 8/23 from 3PT range.
Alabama won at Houston by 6 while going 7/23 from 3PT range.
Alabama won at Arkansas by 15 while going 9/20 from 3PT range.
Alabama beat Kentucky by 26 while going 8/22 from 3PT range.
- 12% of Alabama's field goal attempts are dunks - 12th nationally
- 38% of Alabama's field goal attempts are close 2s - 127th nationally
- 47% of Alabama's field goal attempts are 3s - 13th nationally
- 15% of Alabama's field goal attempts are long 2s - 358th nationally
We replace long 2s with 3s, because it is smarter and makes more sense.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:03 am to ruffleforeskin
SEC fanbases don’t seem to grasp how much of a wash march madness is
Yeah, it helps to be good but there’s other fricky things that have to happen to win/get far.
It’s rare for a team to just tear arse all 6 games to a title. More often than not, the best team in the field doesn’t win it all
Yeah, it helps to be good but there’s other fricky things that have to happen to win/get far.
It’s rare for a team to just tear arse all 6 games to a title. More often than not, the best team in the field doesn’t win it all
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:04 am to ruffleforeskin
If they rely solely on the 3 then you're probably right but this team is loaded with multiple ways to win most of the time.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:05 am to ruffleforeskin
Still melting over that 40 point arse beating I see.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama beat Michigan State at a neutral site by 11 while going 8/23 from 3PT range.
Alabama won at Houston by 6 while going 7/23 from 3PT range.
Alabama won at Arkansas by 15 while going 9/20 from 3PT range.
Alabama beat Kentucky by 26 while going 8/22 from 3PT range.
You act like those are bad percentages
What happens when you go 2/21 in the tourney?
That's a loss. I mean look at his second year when yall were having similar success.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:08 am to ruffleforeskin
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You act like those are bad percentages
No, they are games where teams defended the 3 point line and so we scored at the rim more.
What they are is low 3-point shot attempt totals. Because we had to find another way to win instead of just continually throwing up contested 3s. And we did.
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That's a loss. I mean look at his second year when yall were having similar success.
When we lost a Sweet 16 game in overtime to the eventual national runner up and shot 7/28 from 3?
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama won at Houston by 6 while going 7/23 from 3PT range.
Alabama won at Arkansas by 15 while going 9/20 from 3PT range.
Alabama beat Kentucky by 26 while going 8/22 from 3PT range.
Those actually aren’t bad. 30-35% shooting from 3 is a good shooting day. 9/20 is actually a great day.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:12 am to Jrv2damac
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Those actually aren’t bad. 30-35% shooting from 3 is a good shooting day. 9/20 is actually a great day.
The point isn't %s, the point is style of attack. We won games where we took less than 25 3 pt attempts because we scored at the rim when teams took that away from us.
Against LSU we shot 54 3s and 22 2s (82% 3s, 18% 2s)
Against Houston we shot 23 3s and 31 2s (43% 3s, 57% 2s)
Against Michigan State we shot 23 3s and 40 2s (37% 3s, 63% 2s)
Against Arkansas we shot 20 3s and 34 2s (37% 3s, 63% 2s)
Against Missouri we shot 35 3s and 33 2s (51% 3s, 49% 2s)
We play all sorts of different ways depending on the defensive gameplan and what is open. We do not just jack up 30 3s a night regardless of opponent because it is all we can do.
Our offensive kryptonite this season is not making 3s or not making 3s - it's turnovers. We've cut those way down since the Gonzaga game, but if those start showing back up in bunches then it will spell our doom.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 11:17 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:13 am to ruffleforeskin
quote:This doesn’t seem all that accurate to me. At least not any more significantly than for other teams.
When the 3-point shot doesn't fall they are an average to below-average team
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:19 am to ruffleforeskin
This thread has potential quality bump material
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:20 am to ruffleforeskin
quote:The point is Alabama doesn’t need solid percentages on 40 3s to win
You act like those are bad percentages
quote:They win by 6 instead of 40
What happens when you go 2/21 in the tourney?
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:22 am to ReauxlTide222
The McMahon melt is real amongst LSU fans right now.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:24 am to ruffleforeskin
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When the 3-point shot doesn't fall they are an average to below-average team
Based on what? The defense isn’t average or below average. The rebounding isn’t average or below average. Every team in the country has off nights shooting the 3. Every single one- how many of them are 18-2 despite their off nights?
The only thing that can doom this team in the tournament is turnovers, or elite interior play. Arizona would be a bad matchup for us, as an example. Your entire post is wishcasting based on the tired narrative that Bama “lives and dies by the 3”
This team is legitimately deep and has at least two first round pick locks. This ain’t the 2020 team that was senior heavy with a lot of experience and limited talent. The teams second string would be middle of the pack starting 5 in the league
Bradley-Quinerly
Sears-Burnett
Miller-Griffin
Clowney-Gurley
Bediako-Pringle
That’s not including Welch. We play 11 guys actual minutes when it counts
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:25 am to ruffleforeskin
Good thing they have quality depth and a decent big in Bediako and can beat you different ways when the 3s aren’t falling, pretty much like they did last night vs. State. Bama shot 5-28 (18%) from three. Not predicting a Final 4 run, but Oats style is defense and hustle (blue collar ball), not just 3s, and that will take you a long way.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:27 am to ruffleforeskin
Bama is probably a bubble caliber team if their defense has an off night, their 3s aren’t falling, they get into foul trouble early, and have the turnover bug!!!
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:29 am to KingOfTheWorld
Also, the idea that a team that mostly shoots 3s but also can win in other ways can't win a title is
Villanova won the title and basically blew out everyone along the way in 2018.
3 pts - NCAAT
14/27 vs Radford (won by 26)
17/41 vs Alabama (won by 23)
13/24 vs West Virginia (won by 12)
4/24 vs Texas Tech (won by 12)
18/40 vs Kansas (won by 16)
10/27 vs Michigan (won by 17)
Villanova Profile - 2018 (share of shots)
> 3pts - 47.6% (#9)
Alabama Profile - 2023 (share of shots)
> 3pts - 47.3% (#13)
Villanova won the title and basically blew out everyone along the way in 2018.
3 pts - NCAAT
14/27 vs Radford (won by 26)
17/41 vs Alabama (won by 23)
13/24 vs West Virginia (won by 12)
4/24 vs Texas Tech (won by 12)
18/40 vs Kansas (won by 16)
10/27 vs Michigan (won by 17)
Villanova Profile - 2018 (share of shots)
> 3pts - 47.6% (#9)
Alabama Profile - 2023 (share of shots)
> 3pts - 47.3% (#13)
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:33 am to Glorious
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Bama is probably a bubble caliber team if their defense has an off night, their 3s aren’t falling, they get into foul trouble early, and have the turnover bug!!!
Big if true.
OP thinking that "yeah well if you go 2/23 from outside you're gonna lose!" is some kind of keen basketball insight is just sad. I mean, no shite Sherlock. If you shoot that badly you are probably going to lose no matter what style of offense you play.
Not to mention that Jay Wright ran a pretty similar system at Villanova, albeit at a slower pace, and won a couple of titles with it.
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