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Much harder to win a nattie in hoopyshoot?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:09 pm
Seems like it. Only a handful of teams have the talent in sufficient numbers to win in football. Must be at least 5x’s that number in basketball, and then to survive a tournament..tough sledding.
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Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:11 pm to Atxgump
It's a lot streakier than football. Defense mostly comes down to making the other team take bad shots. Sometimes a hot team will make bad shots all night.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:11 pm to Atxgump
tRant is here to help you cope, OP.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:11 pm to Atxgump
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Much harder to win a nattie in hoopyshoot?
Seems like it. Only a handful of teams have the talent in sufficient numbers to win in football. Must be at least 5x’s that number in basketball, and then to survive a tournament..tough sledding.
No.
In all real sports only 1 team can be the champion.
If a team isn't good enough, then it's not good enough. Alabama wasn't good enough, maybe next year will be better.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:11 pm to Atxgump
Yes. You are able to spread the talent around quite a bit more in basketball (just due to roster numbers) so there’s more parity. Then throw in a single-elimination 64 team tournament where it takes a fair amount of luck and a decent bracket draw to get you there.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:13 pm to Atxgump
Physical dominance from pure size, strength, and talent doesn’t mean quite as much as football. You can still get wrecked by 6’3 white boy who can’t jump six inches and you’ve never heard of before the game if he is fundamentally sound and gets hot.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:14 pm to Atxgump
It depends on what you mean by "harder" and from whose perspective
Because football is more resource intensive, and because there's less random chance/variability like in basketball, the top programs have an easier time winning titles. For the smaller programs, though, it's harder.
Because football is more resource intensive, and because there's less random chance/variability like in basketball, the top programs have an easier time winning titles. For the smaller programs, though, it's harder.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:17 pm to Atxgump
It’s ridiculously hard. Arkansas has a very good team, has gotten a favorable draw with a decent amount of luck and we’d still essentially need a miracle to win the whole thing. You have to be great and lucky. Being very good with luck only gets you so far and being great without luck only gets you so far.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:18 pm to 3down10
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No.
In all real sports only 1 team can be the champion.
If a team isn't good enough, then it's not good enough. Alabama wasn't good enough, maybe next year will be better.
None of that has anything to do with whether it is harder to win a natty in basketball or football.
Hint: It is, because you have to win 6 games in a row in basketball, a sport where underdogs win much more frequently than in football. Now it is much easier to qualify for the NCCA Tourny than the CFP. But once you qualify, it is much easier to win in football.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:23 pm to Porcine Human
Even if you had a 64 team CFB playoff, I don't think you would see a team like BYU, Coastal Carolina, or ULL sniffing the Final 4 or teams that went .500 in conference play getting to the Final 4.
A single great player can carry a team deep in a basketball tournament because he is 20% of the players on the court. Even an elite talent like Barry Sanders would only be 9% of his team on the field, then someone like that isn't playing on both sides of the ball the way a basketball player is.
A single great player can carry a team deep in a basketball tournament because he is 20% of the players on the court. Even an elite talent like Barry Sanders would only be 9% of his team on the field, then someone like that isn't playing on both sides of the ball the way a basketball player is.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:25 pm to NocaHomas Teepee
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Even if you had a 64 team CFB playoff, I don't think you would see a team like BYU, Coastal Carolina, or ULL sniffing the Final 4 or teams that went .500 in conference play getting to the Final 4.
A single great player can carry a team deep in a basketball tournament because he is 20% of the players on the court. Even an elite talent like Barry Sanders would only be 9% of his team on the field, then someone like that isn't playing on both sides of the ball the way a basketball player is.
Yep - the the margins of error in basketball and baseball (especially in a non-series format) are just much thinner than football.
That's why in professional basketball and baseball they play series and not one game eliminations.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:27 pm to Atxgump
It's 6 tough games, very hard
Even you get a 1 or 2 seed, the first game could be close. Nothing easier from there, the 2nd game... 8/9 opponent is usually a Power 5 that had a good year, not a great year that has ballers. Once in the Sweet 16, the weaker teams have been weeded out.
Even you get a 1 or 2 seed, the first game could be close. Nothing easier from there, the 2nd game... 8/9 opponent is usually a Power 5 that had a good year, not a great year that has ballers. Once in the Sweet 16, the weaker teams have been weeded out.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:29 pm to Atxgump
yes especially with the way they determine champion
if you did best 2/3 format it might be different
bama might beat ucla 9/10 times but that one time in tourney setting is what gives all the upsets
plus with one and done hoops these mid major senior laden teams play better and are more consistent
if you did best 2/3 format it might be different
bama might beat ucla 9/10 times but that one time in tourney setting is what gives all the upsets
plus with one and done hoops these mid major senior laden teams play better and are more consistent
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:33 pm to Toroballistic
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None of that has anything to do with whether it is harder to win a natty in basketball or football.
Hint: It is, because you have to win 6 games in a row in basketball, a sport where underdogs win much more frequently than in football. Now it is much easier to qualify for the NCCA Tourny than the CFP. But once you qualify, it is much easier to win in football.
In football you have to have a good year ALL YEAR long to even have a remote chance to qualify for a chance. In basketball, you just have to make the top 68 teams, then have a hot run.
At the end of the day, there can only be 1 championship team in both sports.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yep - the the margins of error in basketball and baseball (especially in a non-series format) are just much thinner than football.
That's why in professional basketball and baseball they play series and not one game eliminations.
Those sports don't have the same type of physical toll on their players bodies. If they could play football with less rest, they would totally do series.
It has nothing to do with margins of error. Best team doesn't always win in football, just like every other sport.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:39 pm to 3down10
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It has nothing to do with margins of error. Best team doesn't always win in football, just like every other sport.
Agree to disagree - the difference in chance at loss at a neutral site in a game between a top 8 CFB team and the winner of the MAC or Sun Belt is much lower than it is between a #2 seed and a #13 seed who won their conference tournament.
It doesn't mean one sport title is worth more than another, the sports themselves and the required athletes across the board and the difference in those collection of athletes just lead to more parity in baseball and basketball.
Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:42 pm to 3down10
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In basketball, you just have to make the top 68 teams, then have a hot run.
For P5 programs, there are 36 at-large bids up for grabs, not 68. The other 32 bids go directly to conference champions.
So, it isnt necessarily the top 68 teams who make the tournament. Just ask this years Belmont squad.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree to disagree - the difference in chance at loss at a neutral site in a game between a top 8 CFB team and the winner of the MAC or Sun Belt is much lower than it is between a #2 seed and a #13 seed who won their conference tournament.
This literally happens almost every year in bowl games for football, but ok.
Hell, UCF still hasn't shut the frick up.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:45 pm to 3down10
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This literally happens almost every year in bowl games for football, but ok.
You are saying the best mid major can beat a Top 8 team. I'm saying just a random year conference champ of the Sun Belt or MAC, not an undefeated top 15 team like UCF or Cincy. The best mid major in basketball gets a high seed and is expected to win games.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:46 pm to Atxgump
Well, there is also a multi game tournament, and all it takes is one bad shooting night to be out.
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