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Mississippi State fans, help me with the Joe Moorhead saga
Posted on 4/20/20 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/20/20 at 9:51 am
Now, trust me LSU has had plenty of coaches that were disasters from go like Curley Hallman and Johnny Jones and plenty who turned on a dime into dumpster fires like Mike Archer, Gerry DiNardo and Trent Johnson.
Moorhead seemed like a curious choice from the start. Mullen had really worked hard to turn State into a legit contender from time to time, so I was surprised there weren't more HC type who had expressed interest.
Then the guy just seemed like a square peg in a round hole. Then the guy was fired after two seasons after the Music City Bowl. Never quite followed along the lockerroom stuff before that game as it seems he turned an eye at locker room fight.
Just a strange saga.
Moorhead seemed like a curious choice from the start. Mullen had really worked hard to turn State into a legit contender from time to time, so I was surprised there weren't more HC type who had expressed interest.
Then the guy just seemed like a square peg in a round hole. Then the guy was fired after two seasons after the Music City Bowl. Never quite followed along the lockerroom stuff before that game as it seems he turned an eye at locker room fight.
Just a strange saga.
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:06 am to I-59 Tiger
I think the Kiffin hire at Ole Miss caught State off guard. It was an aggressive hire that gave Ole Miss a lot of excitement around their program and totally took away any momentum State had from winning the Egg Bowl. MSU had not been happy with Moorehead for most of the season and I think they were going to give him another season just to be gracious. Once Kiffin went to Oxford, State was just looking for a reason to get rid of him.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:15 am to I-59 Tiger
He just wasn't a fit for MSU and the MSU roster wasn't a fit for his offense. His player's coach persona was cool at first, but by the end the team didn't seem to respect him as a coach or fear any real repercussions.
I also think that he wasn't prepared to be a HC at the highest level and think he will be just fine as OC at Oregon.
I also think that he wasn't prepared to be a HC at the highest level and think he will be just fine as OC at Oregon.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:19 am to jumbo
Moorhead wasn’t a good fit for State. So they hired a guy who’s an even worse fit.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:19 am to bigDgator
Moorhead was going to get another year until Willie Gay hit the QB in the eye during bowl practice. 10 players suspended for cheating, losing games that State should have won, incompetent offense and finally the fight. The fight and losing the bowl game was the final straw.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:19 am to jumbo
After all that you then hire Mike Leach? Talk about not having the players for a system.
You guys may not win 5 games the next time football is played.
That said, I like leach, just think it will be tough sledding for several seasons.
You guys may not win 5 games the next time football is played.
That said, I like leach, just think it will be tough sledding for several seasons.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:21 am to bigDgator
Kiffin being hired definitely expedited the move, but it had more to do with players fighting before the bowl game, the way he managed players for the tutor gate, pompous comments and degrading the state of his own program, and then ultimately players just skipping bowl practice. He had zero discipline.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:22 am to I-59 Tiger
I will give the long story.
In 2018 Moorhead couldn't score points against Florida and Kentucky doing the offense his way. This turned State fans against him.
the next week against Auburn, he did the offense the way State fans wanted him to, and low and behold he scored points and won. But after a bye week, he decided to go back to his pass happy offense vs LSU and it cause a LSU DB to have more receptions than any MSU WR.
He went to his offense the rest of the year, cost MSU games like Iowa and didnt give the defense a chance with their success vs Alabama and LSU.
Tune to 2019, and without the defense gifted to him, the games the defense saved his arse in 2018, didn't occur in 2019 like Kansas State.
Tennessee was the last straw for every rational MSU Fan. For MSU to look that pathetic after a bye week against a mediocre Sun Belt quality team was the final sign to the moneymen that Moorhead sucked arse and everyone expected him gone from that point on. And everything was going that direction as embarrsing blowouts to LSU, Texas A&M occured.
But the Arkansas game was looking like it was going to save him with as dominant as MSU looked. But luckily a week later that was erased with MSU looking like shite vs Alabama with Nick Saban in his own words referring to the game as a "practice" before halftime, and Western Kentucky beating Arkansas even worse than MSU did.
MSU struggled with a FCS opponent for a half before playing Ole Miss and this is where the stories get intresting.
The fanbase was somewhat split after the Egg Bowl win. A strong majority wanted Moorhead gone, but not all the money people wanted to cough it up after a 6-6 season. So he got kept much to the dull of everyone even after Moorhead said in his press conference that MSU fans should "pund sand" and "kick rocks" if they do not agree with him. Yeah that was going to win the fanbase for 2020.
And then once again shite happened. A fight between the starting LB and QB caused the QB to miss the bowl game. Ever heard of that happening? Me neither? And then the bowl game performance looked about as good as the Tennessee game did earlier.
Any momentum(which was fake to me and every rational MSU fan) was gone. And MSU fans threated to pull money if he was remained. So MSU got rid of him. The cost of keeping him ended up costing more than the buyout. So that is ultimately the reason why he was fired.
This had nothing to do with Lane Kiffin. But to some MSU fans who live in the world of OLe Miss, the decision was delayed because of them. I am just glad the correct one was made.
I did not even go into the NCAA Probation we got put under his watch but ya know it happened.
So yeah there is that.
In 2018 Moorhead couldn't score points against Florida and Kentucky doing the offense his way. This turned State fans against him.
the next week against Auburn, he did the offense the way State fans wanted him to, and low and behold he scored points and won. But after a bye week, he decided to go back to his pass happy offense vs LSU and it cause a LSU DB to have more receptions than any MSU WR.
He went to his offense the rest of the year, cost MSU games like Iowa and didnt give the defense a chance with their success vs Alabama and LSU.
Tune to 2019, and without the defense gifted to him, the games the defense saved his arse in 2018, didn't occur in 2019 like Kansas State.
Tennessee was the last straw for every rational MSU Fan. For MSU to look that pathetic after a bye week against a mediocre Sun Belt quality team was the final sign to the moneymen that Moorhead sucked arse and everyone expected him gone from that point on. And everything was going that direction as embarrsing blowouts to LSU, Texas A&M occured.
But the Arkansas game was looking like it was going to save him with as dominant as MSU looked. But luckily a week later that was erased with MSU looking like shite vs Alabama with Nick Saban in his own words referring to the game as a "practice" before halftime, and Western Kentucky beating Arkansas even worse than MSU did.
MSU struggled with a FCS opponent for a half before playing Ole Miss and this is where the stories get intresting.
The fanbase was somewhat split after the Egg Bowl win. A strong majority wanted Moorhead gone, but not all the money people wanted to cough it up after a 6-6 season. So he got kept much to the dull of everyone even after Moorhead said in his press conference that MSU fans should "pund sand" and "kick rocks" if they do not agree with him. Yeah that was going to win the fanbase for 2020.
And then once again shite happened. A fight between the starting LB and QB caused the QB to miss the bowl game. Ever heard of that happening? Me neither? And then the bowl game performance looked about as good as the Tennessee game did earlier.
Any momentum(which was fake to me and every rational MSU fan) was gone. And MSU fans threated to pull money if he was remained. So MSU got rid of him. The cost of keeping him ended up costing more than the buyout. So that is ultimately the reason why he was fired.
This had nothing to do with Lane Kiffin. But to some MSU fans who live in the world of OLe Miss, the decision was delayed because of them. I am just glad the correct one was made.
I did not even go into the NCAA Probation we got put under his watch but ya know it happened.
So yeah there is that.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:23 am to BobLeeDagger
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but it had way more to do with players fighting before the bowl game
I was about 3 days late on this one. Please refresh my memory.
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pompous comments and degrading the state
Elaborate please.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:27 am to I-59 Tiger
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I was about 3 days late on this one. Please refresh my memory.
During bowl practice Garret Shrader wasn't happy with some of the player's effort in practice and he and Willie Gay got into a verbal argument and then Gay punched him and broke his orbital bone.
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Elaborate please.
He said something along the lines of "Bob from Bouge Chitto can pound sand"
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:30 am to The Winner
nice post,sir. Hope things work out with Coach Leach. 
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:34 am to BobLeeDagger
Discipline is probably the biggest thing. The first words that came out of Cohen's mouth about Leach was that " He was a disciplinary".
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:39 am to joshua2571
I would have sat the suspended players at the beginning of the season for all the games they were suspended for. Instead of picking and choosing which games they played.
Can't remember if it was 4, 6, or 8 game suspension, But I would have sat them from the start of the season until the suspension was fulfilled.
Sent such a bad message to do it the way he did.
Can't remember if it was 4, 6, or 8 game suspension, But I would have sat them from the start of the season until the suspension was fulfilled.
Sent such a bad message to do it the way he did.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:39 am to I-59 Tiger
He constantly criticized fans and listened and responded to way too much "twitter talk." Generalized outspoken fans as "Bob from Bogue Chitta" telling them to kick rocks and pound sand. Then after the Egg Bowl, he said fans were acting like he inherited the '85 Bears. You just don't say dumb stuff like that. Nothing good comes from it.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:42 am to GreyReb
It was 8 games. I understand why he did it because you still have to win ballgames. Now, he played one of our suspended players against an OOC ( Southern Miss I believe). Idk why he would do that.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:43 am to joshua2571
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:47 am to BobLeeDagger
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acting like he inherited the '75 Bears.
Please tell me he said "85" Bears.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:48 am to I-59 Tiger
He did, apologies on the typo
Posted on 4/20/20 at 10:56 am to GreyReb
They had to spread them out in order to have depth at some positions
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:07 pm to I-59 Tiger
One thing he did that tanked his goodwill early is the QB drama that was completely his fault.
He completely benched our QB that had been waiting in the wings for a transfer from Penn State that didn’t get us anywhere. He would occasionally put KT in for a poorly-designed play then pull him - almost to say “See, he isn’t good” to the fans, who of course didn’t buy it.
Even if KT wasn’t the best, it was a completely pointless bad faith gesture. Pulling that move only works if you win games doing it, and you should probably be an established head coach and not an experiment like Moorhead.
He completely benched our QB that had been waiting in the wings for a transfer from Penn State that didn’t get us anywhere. He would occasionally put KT in for a poorly-designed play then pull him - almost to say “See, he isn’t good” to the fans, who of course didn’t buy it.
Even if KT wasn’t the best, it was a completely pointless bad faith gesture. Pulling that move only works if you win games doing it, and you should probably be an established head coach and not an experiment like Moorhead.
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