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Maybe a preview of what Brent Venables will try to do to Joe Burrow
Posted on 1/12/20 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/12/20 at 12:57 pm
In last year's game, Clemson leaned heavily on what Mississippi State did against Alabama, the blitzes and coverages since State seemed to have success affecting Tua. They had that early Pick Six and a lot of success.
People like to talk about the Auburn game plan against LSU but Not many people, and Clemson doesn't, have people like the Barn does up front on D.
I think if you watch Mississippi State against LSU this year, especially in the first half and in the Red Zone, they gave Burrow and LSU fits down there holding them to field goals instead of TD's with a lot of strange looking alignments and blitzes. sacking Joe a couple of times and pressuring him more than he'd like.
State ran out of gas and didn't have the athletes, nor the offense, and they couldn't hold up. Clemson does. They did this before, do they go to the well again?
People like to talk about the Auburn game plan against LSU but Not many people, and Clemson doesn't, have people like the Barn does up front on D.
I think if you watch Mississippi State against LSU this year, especially in the first half and in the Red Zone, they gave Burrow and LSU fits down there holding them to field goals instead of TD's with a lot of strange looking alignments and blitzes. sacking Joe a couple of times and pressuring him more than he'd like.
State ran out of gas and didn't have the athletes, nor the offense, and they couldn't hold up. Clemson does. They did this before, do they go to the well again?
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 12:59 pm
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:00 pm to antibarner
Clemson can't lose!
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:01 pm to antibarner
Joe has had quite a bit better season than Tua had last year and can only stop himself in my biased opinion.
He also isnt banged up like Tua was.
LSU also doesnt rely on screens and YAC like Alabama did.
He also isnt banged up like Tua was.
LSU also doesnt rely on screens and YAC like Alabama did.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:03 pm to antibarner
Tua proved that if you could get to him you could rattle him. He looked pretty bad against UGA then again looked pedestrian against clemson.
Burrow (thte 2019 version) hasn't shown any ability to be rattled, AT ALL. Even when you do bring a ton of pressure and can get near him, he's excellent at either escaping or somehow making the perfect throw every time.
Honestly, I don't really think it matters one iota what clemson tries to do. They are going to lose by several touchdowns.
Burrow (thte 2019 version) hasn't shown any ability to be rattled, AT ALL. Even when you do bring a ton of pressure and can get near him, he's excellent at either escaping or somehow making the perfect throw every time.
Honestly, I don't really think it matters one iota what clemson tries to do. They are going to lose by several touchdowns.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:05 pm to antibarner
I was driving through FL and stopped in Ft. Pierce at the time as a rough storm that produced tornados came through.
Even with all that I remember the blatant PI in the endzone on the 1st drive. They grabbed chase and spun him around before the ball was even thrown. It then happened on the next drive. Same drive Dillion dropped an easy TD on a Burrow scramble. Both led to FG's
That wasn't State stopping LSU that was State getting the benefit of playing at home.
Even with all that I remember the blatant PI in the endzone on the 1st drive. They grabbed chase and spun him around before the ball was even thrown. It then happened on the next drive. Same drive Dillion dropped an easy TD on a Burrow scramble. Both led to FG's
That wasn't State stopping LSU that was State getting the benefit of playing at home.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:06 pm to WG_Dawg
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Honestly, I don't really think it matters one iota what clemson tries to do. They are going to lose by several touchdowns.
To me Clemson's only hope is to jam the receivers to disrupt the timing or hope Joe has a bad game.
Neither of those have happened this seasom yet.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:07 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Clemson can't lose!
It's ironic pretend Clemson fan, real LSU fan that the only people making that claim (that they can't lose) are LSU and SEC fans.
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:09 pm to memphisplaya
State got to Joe a couple of times. I actually saw him pull the ball down and take sacks. He was getting pressure.
But MSU's offense was pitiful and they ran out of gas. The inevitable then happened.
But MSU's offense was pitiful and they ran out of gas. The inevitable then happened.
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:12 pm to antibarner
Expect more inside screens from LSU
Especially a double inside screen were Joe reads the pressure and dumps it off. Th hat will put an end to that. Then Clemson will hv to play more man coverage opening up the run game and RPO.imo
Especially a double inside screen were Joe reads the pressure and dumps it off. Th hat will put an end to that. Then Clemson will hv to play more man coverage opening up the run game and RPO.imo
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:13 pm to antibarner
Good insight all the way around antibarner.
I wonder if Venables comes out with a soft zone between the 20s and the occasional blitz to start the game and we apply more pressure in the red zone. We might concede that we are going to give up 400 yards or more of offense, but at least make them earn it in the red zone.
You might as well be speaking german to this crowd if you want actual football talk.
I wonder if Venables comes out with a soft zone between the 20s and the occasional blitz to start the game and we apply more pressure in the red zone. We might concede that we are going to give up 400 yards or more of offense, but at least make them earn it in the red zone.
You might as well be speaking german to this crowd if you want actual football talk.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:17 pm to CivilTiger83
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You might as well be speaking german to this crowd if you want actual football talk.
Watch the highlights for yourself.
LINK
Bama and Tua also rely on. heavy on Screens and slants. LSU and Burrow will throw it downfield with pinpoint accuracy b/w 3 defenders. You can't defend back-shoulder throws like you can pass over the middle. Tua was easily rattled as he was playing hobbled. Burrow pressure of the situation just doesn't get to him.
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:22 pm to memphisplaya
I just did. State was right there, and gave up a cheap one with a blown coverage late in the second. Right after LSU clanks through a FG hitting the crossbar. MSU hung in for awhile.
Then the floodgates opened up. They didn't have the horses.
Then the floodgates opened up. They didn't have the horses.
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:26 pm to antibarner
You won’t get any LSU fan to agree to anything other than Joe is perfect and they are the best EVAR. I know this is essentially their board but GD they are obnoxious. It’s a very likable team but their fans do everything they can to make you not like them.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:28 pm to memphisplaya
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Watch the highlights for yourself.
Antibarner came up with an actual football discussion point, and your response is "watch the highlight"? That isn't football discussion.
Here is another discussion point... LSU is 71st in sacks allowed. They looked pretty good the last couple games. Just curious how they were so effective against UGA and Oklahoma in avoiding sacks when they are below average in that category on the year. Anyone have any insight? (Injuries, long developing plays, etc...)
Another interesting fact is that Clemson is 8th in sacks allowed and 15th in team sacks. LSU is 40th in team sacks.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:29 pm to antibarner
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I just did. State was right there, and gave up a cheap one with a blown coverage late in the second. Right after LSU clanks through a FG hitting the crossba
You failed to note that MSU was hanging on Chase not once but twice and because the game was in Starkville they got the benefit of the doubt from the officials. 1st one was blatant the 2nd was less but still PI. Then DIllion drops a sure TD. Next drive we get to goaline but shoot ourselves in the foot with a penalty and get backed up, which is uncharacteristic of this offense. We also leaned heavily on CEH that game since Marshall was still sidelined and Jefferson was somewhat limited.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:34 pm to antibarner
Possible, quite possible. Problem is LSU has seen it and likely has a response in waiting. Going to be a chess match, no doubt.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:36 pm to memphisplaya
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officials
What a little bitch
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:37 pm to CivilTiger83
Burrow was asked about anticipated blitzes & pressure from Vanables' defense. His face lit up with a huge smile. Clyde is a blitz breaker but spy him down & Moss catches 8-9-10 passes. Or Burrow twists and turns & runs for a first down. How is this for a stat, especially for a QB: 49% of his runs/scrambles results in a first down, best in college football for any position player.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:37 pm to CivilTiger83
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(Injuries, long developing plays, etc...)
Texas field turf very unforgiving. A lot of players went down that game.
Injuries plagued the DLIne especially. By the A&M game we finally had Lawerence, logan, Delpit, and others fully healthy.
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Just curious how they were so effective against UGA and Oklahoma in avoiding sacks when they are below average in that category on the year.
Every defense except OU has tried to do something different to get to Joe. That is why watching one game won't tell you much. If you watched AU, Bama, UGA they all tried to do what other teams had done prior to success. Joe is a student of the film room though. 15 games into the season they've tried pretty much everything with multiple looks and personnel. The biggest hurdle every team vs LSU has faced is a lack of substitutions. We do not substitute and will use the same personnel. So since we won't sub either can the opposing team. Joe will have you on your heels.
Now if we lean more on the run game as we did with State due to injuries then you will see more subs, but atm LSU is healthy and ready to roll through the air to open up the run later.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:38 pm to CivilTiger83
Statistics presume all things considered equal - they are better than nothing but have their respective wantings.
Looking forward to a fine contest between two pretty decent squads. First team to resort to checkers loses.
Looking forward to a fine contest between two pretty decent squads. First team to resort to checkers loses.
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