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LSU fans. Legit question...
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:53 pm
I’ve got a handful of LSU buddies and they’re definitely not in agreement but this is my question (100% not trolling):
Last year Ed O was on the preseason hotseat. LSU put together a really good year and was in the CFP hunt for a while. Do you see him as an asset/liability for your program going forward? Not for 2019 but for the next 5-10 years. He seems like a career position coach who is really good motivating his kids. Do you see him as “the guy” who’s going to beat Bama?
Some of my buds wish he had shat the bed, gotten canned, and made room for a splash hire but others were more in “the future is now” kinda mindset.
Last year Ed O was on the preseason hotseat. LSU put together a really good year and was in the CFP hunt for a while. Do you see him as an asset/liability for your program going forward? Not for 2019 but for the next 5-10 years. He seems like a career position coach who is really good motivating his kids. Do you see him as “the guy” who’s going to beat Bama?
Some of my buds wish he had shat the bed, gotten canned, and made room for a splash hire but others were more in “the future is now” kinda mindset.
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:55 pm to DesertAg
2019 is a no excuses kinda year for him.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:56 pm to DesertAg
Depends on the offense this coming season.
Much like every other base, you can't judge teams fans based on this site.
Much like every other base, you can't judge teams fans based on this site.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:58 pm to DesertAg
He did far better than he should have, if he continues to recruit well and manages to somehow improve the offense... then he has solidified his position in my opinion.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:00 pm to DesertAg
Entire offense coming back pretty much, he’s a defensive coach and has a great DC+Great talent all over the defense. If he can’t put it together this year and make a run I’m probably going to want him gone.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:04 pm to DesertAg
I hated the hire when he first got the job.
Still not totally sold on him but he is doing better than I honestly thought he would.
He is surrounded by talent and assistant coaches. I think he may be a face of the program and a recruiter, while his assistants run the show. I’m okay with that.
Still not totally sold on him but he is doing better than I honestly thought he would.
He is surrounded by talent and assistant coaches. I think he may be a face of the program and a recruiter, while his assistants run the show. I’m okay with that.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:07 pm to hg
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2019 is a no excuses kinda year for him.
^ HG is a smart man
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:08 pm to MoneyShot
So kinda put up or shut up this season? What’s a successful 2019 look like? Winning the West? Being in every game? A top recruiting haul?
And I don’t get the issues with LSU’s offense/QB development. Who’s job is it to develop them (not Ed’s I assume)? The NFL’s lost its collective mind trying to find QB friendly coaches and they’re hard to find but why didn’t Matt Canada work? He’s been successful everywhere else... What went wrong with him?
And I don’t get the issues with LSU’s offense/QB development. Who’s job is it to develop them (not Ed’s I assume)? The NFL’s lost its collective mind trying to find QB friendly coaches and they’re hard to find but why didn’t Matt Canada work? He’s been successful everywhere else... What went wrong with him?
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:15 pm to DesertAg
Box Geauxrilla basically said what my LSU buds did. Not thrilled with the hire but he’s done really well and that the Tigers should let it play out. And that he’s not really an X’s and O’s kinda coach but more of a CEO type who’s recruiting at a high level
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:16 pm to DesertAg
Worry about your own team
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:24 pm to DesertAg
I could See some realm of possibility where O gets the right people around him and it works.
He’s a hell of a recruiter. I think His strategy tends to involve plugging holes. But if there is talent in Louisiana he can go get it for sure.
But I also Can’t imagine a world where he is our ahc for 10 years.
He’s a hell of a recruiter. I think His strategy tends to involve plugging holes. But if there is talent in Louisiana he can go get it for sure.
But I also Can’t imagine a world where he is our ahc for 10 years.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:50 pm to DesertAg
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Do you see him as an asset/liability for your program going forward?
Potentially. He'll need to build on what he put together last year and this recruiting cycle for me to be able to give a definitive answer on that. I do feel more confident than I did in that regard this time last year, however. One thing that I think even the biggest Orgeron critics can't deny is that he works his arse off. One of my biggest issues with Les was how complacent he got his last few years. He just felt like he lost his drive to ever get any better.
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Do you see him as “the guy” who’s going to beat Bama?
My answer would be the same, we'll see
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Some of my buds wish he had shat the bed, gotten canned, and made room for a splash hire but others were more in “the future is now” kinda mindset.
There are plenty of people like that, and I, for one, hate that attitude. Even if you didn't like the hire (I didn't) why wouldn't you hope you are proven wrong rather than hoping he fails? I just can't ever see myself hoping a coach fails because that would require me hoping my team loses. That's just not in my DNA. And what "splash" hire is out there right now anyways? No coach is a guarantee, so basically these people are hoping LSU hits rock bottom and that they are lucky enough to find the right guy thereafter to rebuild the entire program. That's just ignorant IMO. Look no further than Nebraska and Tennessee at what can happen when you hire the wrong people over and over again. It's not easy finding a consistent winner, I don't care what school we're talking about. There isn't a program in America that hasn't had a long period of suck. I've been there, and I can tell you going 9-4 or 10-3 is a hell of a lot better than going 4-8. Our fans just got spoiled and now act like children because our old coach has created the most impressive dynasty in college football history. Whether they care to admit it or not, that is the root of all of it.
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:57 pm to DesertAg
I'm somewhat stunned by an actual football related topic minus the trolling. So much so, that I'm not prepared to answer the question at this moment. 
Posted on 1/24/19 at 12:00 am to DesertAg
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And I don’t get the issues with LSU’s offense/QB development. Who’s job is it to develop them (not Ed’s I assume)?
A bunch of people over the years. Cam Cameron, Steve Kragthorpe, Billy Gonzales, etc. QBs have been an enigma for LSU forever. If you look at the history of the program, it's just a position we haven't had a lot of elite players. There was Bert Jones in the early 70s. Tommy Hodson in the mid to late 80s. Herb Tyler was ok but nothing special in the mid 90s. LSU had good QB play from 2003 through 2007 with Mauck, Russell, and Flynn, but ever since then, Mettenberger in 2013 was the only really good year we've had from a QB. Some of it is the state doesn't produce a whole lot of elite talent at the position but it's honestly almost an anomaly that LSU historically just hasn't had many great QBs.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:25 am to lsufball19
1. EdO has NEVER been "on the hot seat" with his bosses. This is a fact.
2. EdO was always gonna get three full seasons before evaluation. That means it will be late November of this year before any final decision on EdO is made.
3. I was against his hire but he is doing a lot of things right now. I predict all fans will be on board with EdO by December 1 of this year.
2. EdO was always gonna get three full seasons before evaluation. That means it will be late November of this year before any final decision on EdO is made.
3. I was against his hire but he is doing a lot of things right now. I predict all fans will be on board with EdO by December 1 of this year.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:38 am to DesertAg
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why didn’t Matt Canada work? He’s been successful everywhere else... What went wrong with him?
Couldn’t have been less impressed with him as a coach. I think the lack of top competition factors into why he was successful at other schools.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:11 am to GeorgeWest
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I predict all fans will be on board with EdO by December 1 of this year.
I doubt that. He’d have to go undefeated and win a championship for that.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:46 am to DesertAg
"It ain't about the X's and the O's - it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's" - true 50 years ago, true now.
Coach O is bringing in first-rate recruits. I think Orgeron (like most old guard HC's) would run the ball every down if he could get away with it. But, the boosters and the fans will be all over him until he fields an elite passing offense.
A lot depends on the quality of the new WR coach/passing coordinator. LSU surprised most people in '18. I think LSU will surprise in '19, also.
With a little luck (and a much improved passing scheme), LSU could knock off Bama.
Coach O is bringing in first-rate recruits. I think Orgeron (like most old guard HC's) would run the ball every down if he could get away with it. But, the boosters and the fans will be all over him until he fields an elite passing offense.
A lot depends on the quality of the new WR coach/passing coordinator. LSU surprised most people in '18. I think LSU will surprise in '19, also.
With a little luck (and a much improved passing scheme), LSU could knock off Bama.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 3:07 am
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:46 am to DesertAg
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Do you see him as an asset/liability for your program going forward?
Definitely an asset
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Do you see him as “the guy” who’s going to beat Bama
No
The reason that Bama dominates the SEC and we don't exists far above the level of the coach. I don't think it's fair to determine a coach's success or failure based on how he does against them. If that's the case every SEC coach would be on the hot seat every single year.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 4:55 am
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:41 am to Buckeye Jeaux
With what LSU returns he will be expected to improve upon last season
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