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re: Kevin Sumlin: Better Coach than A&M is as a program
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:19 am to r2d2
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:19 am to r2d2
Your entire premise is wrong because you are too busy being an a-hole rather than engaging in an objective discussion about football. That is why you miss facts, and instead push a "narrative."
Sit down, shut the frick up, and educate yourself before you chime in.
Winning at home wasn't a problem until after Slocum left, and it was systemic of other problems. Anyone with a brain knows that Sumlin elevated the program from Fran and Sherman, but the home record is indicative of him not being able to take it to the next level.
Forgive us for wanting to be a dominant program, and trying to do so.
Sit down, shut the frick up, and educate yourself before you chime in.
Winning at home wasn't a problem until after Slocum left, and it was systemic of other problems. Anyone with a brain knows that Sumlin elevated the program from Fran and Sherman, but the home record is indicative of him not being able to take it to the next level.
Forgive us for wanting to be a dominant program, and trying to do so.
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 10:22 am
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Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:42 am to The Balinese Club
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Sit down, shut the frick up, and educate yourself before you chime in.
Nice Thanksgiving spirit.
It's not a narrative. It's reality. A&M was better in the 90's but not elite when teams that compete for recruits were down. It has been a mediocre irrelevant program for decades despite the program never lacking resources. Spin it as you like, that's reality. It’s not a narrative.
I have been rational. Sumlin is a decent coach that seems to have learned from his mistakes. He has made strides to correct problems in defense and physicality. He had some issues with QBs but has a couple of good looking players at the position now. That's a decent looking young team A&M is fielding this season. He has a good recruiting class coming in. Don't act as if those are not positives for A&M.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:44 am to jodeaux
This is like Richt at Georgia. If A&M makes a good hire they will see improvement ASAP .
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:48 am to tjv305
Ritch a step above as he did win the conference and had highly ranked seasons several times, but to a point it is a valid comparison.
UGA has a higher ceiling if history is any indication.
UGA has a higher ceiling if history is any indication.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 10:58 am to jodeaux
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If I was the Florida AD, I'd be flying a plane into College Station as we speak.
Kids, this is why drugs are bad, mmkay
Posted on 11/23/17 at 11:02 am to jodeaux
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Kevin Sumlin: Better Coach than A&M is as a program
Yes, A&M is a middle level SEC program, so they are about where they should be.
They have never won anything in my lifetime and that pretty much says it all.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 11:23 am to magildachunks
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Same could be said of Richt and UGA.
Literally the exact same
Also the same of UGA under Goff and Donnan
Posted on 11/23/17 at 11:27 am to r2d2
63 rushing yards on 23 carries against New Mexico.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:01 pm to Prometheus
Again, forgive us for wanting to improve and not knowing our place.
FWIW, your program is .500 against us in football since joining the SEC and we have dominated you in every other sport the league sponsors since joining.
But we suck and all..
FWIW, your program is .500 against us in football since joining the SEC and we have dominated you in every other sport the league sponsors since joining.
But we suck and all..
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:02 pm to r2d2
So, your narrative is that we should know our place and that we are good enough?
Ok...
Ok...
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:09 pm to Jake_LaMotta
What about morons who got rid of a 10 win coach who gave you your only championships in the last 35 years and hired a guy with zero head coaching experience?
This man is looking for a job. Hire him if you love him so much.
This man is looking for a job. Hire him if you love him so much.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:32 pm to jodeaux
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This guy made your team relevant in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the entire country
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the toughest division in the toughest conference
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the toughest division
East sucks.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:33 pm to jodeaux
Are they racist for firing Sumlin?
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:50 pm to The Balinese Club
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Again, forgive us for wanting to improve and not knowing our place.
FWIW, your program is .500 against us in football since joining the SEC and we have dominated you in every other sport the league sponsors since joining.
But we suck and all
This thread was about football. I was not trying to rustle you, just being honest.
Football programs are measured by championships and A&M doesn't have any in decades.
Congrats on your other sports and being .500 against us in the last 6 in football, but your team has never challenged, much less won the SEC in football. Big difference in our programs.
Happy Thanksgiving.
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:53 pm to jodeaux
other than JFF, when has ATM been relevant?
Posted on 11/23/17 at 12:56 pm to Prometheus
FWIW, we've only been here 6 years. And in that six years, we have won many more SEC championships across the board than you have. That is a fact.
Quit acting like we are regulated to have a football program that is inferior to the rest of our athletic department. Unlike Auburn, which thinks this league only plays one sport.
Quit acting like we are regulated to have a football program that is inferior to the rest of our athletic department. Unlike Auburn, which thinks this league only plays one sport.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 1:39 pm to jodeaux
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offensive innovator
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Sumlin
Does not compute.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 2:01 pm to The Balinese Club
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So, your narrative is that we should know our place and that we are good enough? Ok...
Saban has blinded everyone, but realisticly high expectations for most major programs is to field competitive teams, recruit top 25 classes, make the final top 25 about half the time, and every 5-9 years when you have a cycle of experienced developed players be in position to challenge for something big. Can’t expect that to happen every year.
Is Sumlin there? Maybe not fully but not as far as you may think, and closer than the previous coaches. Evidence suggests it’s not easy to win big at A&M or it would have happened by now. If you can get Fisher is he a better cosch? maybe but it isn’t a guarantee. He is 4-6 with a roster full of 4 and 5 star recruits. shite like that just happens, doesn’t mean the guy can’t coach. Is he coaching any better that Sumlin right now with a young team? Probably not.
We hear the Herbstreits of the world utter phrases like ‘team X is a perennial Top 10 team”.. you know who is a perennial top 10 team? No one.
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 11/23/17 at 4:22 pm to r2d2
Sumlin hasn't finished the season ranked since Manziel.
4 straight years of finishing unranked simply doesn't cut it by your standards.
4 straight years of finishing unranked simply doesn't cut it by your standards.
Posted on 11/23/17 at 4:34 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Sumlin is the scapegoat for A&M not capitalizing on the move to the SEC.
I understand the move from a business stand point but A&M thought the move would allow them to become the dominant team in Texas.
Truthfully I believe A&M's boosters and directors are the ones to blame for the entire situation.
You cannot fire boosters nor can you get rid of everyone at the top so Sumlin is first and then the AD.
A&M needs another short term boost and to turn around the momentum but the issue with creating momentum is that you may be firing the guy that can actually win the SEC for an unknown.
A lot of years A&M was 1 or 2 key plays from winning a lot of big games.
I understand the move from a business stand point but A&M thought the move would allow them to become the dominant team in Texas.
Truthfully I believe A&M's boosters and directors are the ones to blame for the entire situation.
You cannot fire boosters nor can you get rid of everyone at the top so Sumlin is first and then the AD.
A&M needs another short term boost and to turn around the momentum but the issue with creating momentum is that you may be firing the guy that can actually win the SEC for an unknown.
A lot of years A&M was 1 or 2 key plays from winning a lot of big games.
This post was edited on 11/23/17 at 4:35 pm
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