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It's embarrassing how LSU has handled some of these cases
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:27 am
Here comes the insults but as an alumni this is disgusting. Let the heads roll, frick them all. With the financial issues of COVID it may take a while for LSU to get back on its feet but I can’t support this shitshow.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:31 am to r2d2
Fire the tennis coaches and some administrators and be done with it? I don’t know how this is as much rot as Baylor-speaking strictly from a football standpoint.
The Sell’s sound like disgusting folk if true. But I can’t help but wonder if an administrator told her to just look the other way. Maybe Julia sell did actually give a shite, but higher ups told her to silence the poor girl.
The Sell’s sound like disgusting folk if true. But I can’t help but wonder if an administrator told her to just look the other way. Maybe Julia sell did actually give a shite, but higher ups told her to silence the poor girl.
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Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:43 am to r2d2
If this stuff is proven true, it is worse than embarrassing.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:56 am to r2d2
Seems like the common link when the ball was dropped was the tennis coaches completely dropping the ball and not reporting anything to anyone. Both Snells should be fired yesterday. The rest of the players were disciplined swiftly and, when warranted, severely by Orgeron when the incidents were brought to his attention.
The first Guice incident happened and was reported before he was coach, so if anyone in the football program dropped the ball on that, it was Miles. The second incident, the girl refused to file any complaints or speak to anyone with the university so not much you can do there. Her disclosure to anyone didn't even come until she ha been kicked off the tennis team for drugs and told her counselor at rehab.
No one told anyone at the University until her father (who said he didn't believe her) told, wait for it, the fricking tennis coach at a tennis match the following year, who, again, did nothing with that information. The incident occurred when Miles was coach but was disclosed the next year when Oregon was the coach. The girl didn't directly report anything to anyone at the university until two years later (2019) when she contacted LSU to see if any reports were ever lodged (there weren't). This was about the time she became a co-plaintiff in a class action Title IX lawsuit filed against the NCAA (not LSU) with some other female athletes around the country.
Several of those incidents didn't end up being anything. The Phillips case, his ex-girlfriend later admitted she was lying when questioned by police. Gadchaux and his girlfriend (also mother of his child) were both charged with domestic assault, he was suspended during the criminal proceeding, but neither were ultimately prosecuted and charges dropped. The Delpit thing I have no idea. This kind of came out of left field. No reports, criminal or otherwise, were ever filed by anyone, and the article failed to provide much information whatsoever, same with Sheffer, just said he was accused of rape with no other information provided.
Peter Parrish was suspended immediately, transferred, charged ultimately dropped, and he's now playing for Memphis.
Provens' incident happened after he had already left the program and, to my knowledge, his criminal case is still pending.
Davis' situation was completely mismanaged by the tennis coach (see the theme?), who made no report. When she made another report to the training staff, a Title IX report was filed, a student judiciary case opened, and the case was ultimately closed when the girl said nothing happened when interviewed. Then the next incident with the same girl resulted in his arrest. He was immediately suspended pending the criminal investigation. Then, he was arrested again a month later for violating the restraining order. He was immediately kicked off the team and expelled from school. He was later convicted of two counts of battery and for violation of a protective order.
I think it's very clear some heads need to roll, but I think a lot of the culpability falls on the tennis coach. Snell was presented with three separate incidents, two for victims of Guice and one of Davis, and made no reports to anyone. Any the incident presented to anyone else at the University were dealt with. Some hit dead ends when the alleged victims refused to file complaints, recanted their stories, etc. so there's no much you can do if the victim won't cooperate. I also believe that if a criminal proceeding is ongoing, there are some constitutional and procedural issues that come into play until the criminal matter has been closed.
The first Guice incident happened and was reported before he was coach, so if anyone in the football program dropped the ball on that, it was Miles. The second incident, the girl refused to file any complaints or speak to anyone with the university so not much you can do there. Her disclosure to anyone didn't even come until she ha been kicked off the tennis team for drugs and told her counselor at rehab.
No one told anyone at the University until her father (who said he didn't believe her) told, wait for it, the fricking tennis coach at a tennis match the following year, who, again, did nothing with that information. The incident occurred when Miles was coach but was disclosed the next year when Oregon was the coach. The girl didn't directly report anything to anyone at the university until two years later (2019) when she contacted LSU to see if any reports were ever lodged (there weren't). This was about the time she became a co-plaintiff in a class action Title IX lawsuit filed against the NCAA (not LSU) with some other female athletes around the country.
Several of those incidents didn't end up being anything. The Phillips case, his ex-girlfriend later admitted she was lying when questioned by police. Gadchaux and his girlfriend (also mother of his child) were both charged with domestic assault, he was suspended during the criminal proceeding, but neither were ultimately prosecuted and charges dropped. The Delpit thing I have no idea. This kind of came out of left field. No reports, criminal or otherwise, were ever filed by anyone, and the article failed to provide much information whatsoever, same with Sheffer, just said he was accused of rape with no other information provided.
Peter Parrish was suspended immediately, transferred, charged ultimately dropped, and he's now playing for Memphis.
Provens' incident happened after he had already left the program and, to my knowledge, his criminal case is still pending.
Davis' situation was completely mismanaged by the tennis coach (see the theme?), who made no report. When she made another report to the training staff, a Title IX report was filed, a student judiciary case opened, and the case was ultimately closed when the girl said nothing happened when interviewed. Then the next incident with the same girl resulted in his arrest. He was immediately suspended pending the criminal investigation. Then, he was arrested again a month later for violating the restraining order. He was immediately kicked off the team and expelled from school. He was later convicted of two counts of battery and for violation of a protective order.
I think it's very clear some heads need to roll, but I think a lot of the culpability falls on the tennis coach. Snell was presented with three separate incidents, two for victims of Guice and one of Davis, and made no reports to anyone. Any the incident presented to anyone else at the University were dealt with. Some hit dead ends when the alleged victims refused to file complaints, recanted their stories, etc. so there's no much you can do if the victim won't cooperate. I also believe that if a criminal proceeding is ongoing, there are some constitutional and procedural issues that come into play until the criminal matter has been closed.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:01 pm to tigerbait2010
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The Sell’s sound like disgusting folk if true. But I can’t help but wonder if an administrator told her to just look the other way. Maybe Julia sell did actually give a shite, but higher ups told her to silence the poor girl.
Julia Snell is digging her heels in and said yesterday she never had any incident reported to her. I don't buy someone at the university told her to look the other way. I think she just didn't want to deal with it and now is trying to save her job. She should have thought about the fact that text messages and e-mails exist. I honestly wonder if she has any exposure to criminal liability for negligence that may have resulted in future harm that Davis inflicted on that girl. She and her husband both seem like horrible people.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:05 pm to lsufball19
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I don't buy someone at the university told her to look the other way
Based on what?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:08 pm to skrayper
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Based on what?
Based on the evidence that the Snells never made any reports to anyone, never filed a Title IX, never contacted police, never following up with the victims, etc. effectively ignoring everything. If an assistant trainer had no issue filing a Title IX report, the school had no problem conducting student judicary proceedings, and Ed Orgeron had no problem suspending players and/or kicking them off the team, why would the tennis coaches be the ones told to look the other way? Not to mention, those tennis coaches have zero credibility at this point. To go as far as saying yesterday, after everything that has come out, that they were never told about anything, I just think they're both completely full of shite and need to be gone immediately.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:12 pm to lsufball19
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Based on the evidence that the Snells never made any reports to anyone
Have you considered that they might have known that an allegation was not going to be taken seriously by the administration? Perhaps costing them their job at some point if they tried to push it.
Just seems odd that a tennis coach would not report a serious allegation unless they had prior knowledge that a report like that would be ignored or had other personal repercussions likely to happen to them.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:15 pm to r2d2
The Sell's clearly have to be fired.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:18 pm to lsufball19
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Ed Orgeron had no problem suspending players and/or kicking them off the team
I am not saying Ed Orgeron knew anything. I repeat, I am not saying Ed Orgeron knew anything. But to say he didn't know anything because he had suspended and kicked players off the team in the past does not prove anything. I believe we will all agree there is a double standard when it comes to player punishments. It all depends on who you are. Thats at all schools.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:32 pm to Tridentds
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Have you considered that they might have known that an allegation was not going to be taken seriously by the administration? Perhaps costing them their job at some point if they tried to push it
What they think may or may not happen with their employment has nothing to do with their legal responsibility to file a report.
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Just seems odd that a tennis coach would not report a serious allegation unless they had prior knowledge that a report like that would be ignored or had other personal repercussions likely to happen to them.
It definitely seems odd why so many incidents would happen on their team and them not report a single one, but trying to guess what their motivations were is hard to do. I don't recall any coach being fired for mysterious reasons, so it's hard to say there is some sort of precedent that coaches would be scared to say anything. And if that truly is the case, wouldn't that kind of fall on Joe Alleva and/or the president of the University F King Alexander for creating that environment? Neither of those two are at LSU anymore, let's pretend that is the case, who at the University now (other than the tennis coaches) do you go after?
The only comparable incident I can think of (when sex and sports collide) was when the womens basketball coach, Pokey Champman, was fired for having an inappropriate relationship with a player back in 2007 after being reported by an assistant coach.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:37 pm to lsufball19
What's missing from these conversations is why the women put themselves in these bad situations in the first place.
Not that what happened to them is not horrible because it is, but where is the common sense ?
Not that what happened to them is not horrible because it is, but where is the common sense ?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:39 pm to bopper50
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why the women put themselves in these bad situations in the first place.
That's the spirit.
Good grief.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:53 pm to graves1
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But to say he didn't know anything because he had suspended and kicked players off the team in the past does not prove anything.
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I'm saying in these specific situations that have been brought to light in the USA Today article, when incidents occurred and were reported, the players were suspended and dealt with by Orgeron. Davis, Godchaux, and Parrish were all suspended and investigated. Godchaux was the only player reinstated but only after the criminal charges against both he and his girlfriend were dismissed. Provens had already left the program. Phillips case didn't warrant a suspension because the girl admitted she was lying when interviewed by police. Delpit and Sheffer's cases don't provide enough information to really know anything about what actually happened. And Guice's stuff either happened before Orgeron was coach or weren't reported to anyone other than the tennis coach until Guice was gone. I just think it's unfair for a lot of people in the media to be singling out Orgeron, and I think the article intentionally left out some pretty pertinent details with most of these incidents.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:54 pm to bopper50
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What's missing from these conversations is why the women put themselves in these bad situations in the first place.
Dude, stop. That's a bullshite comment.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:55 pm to gamecockman12
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The Sell's clearly have to be fired.
100% without a doubt
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:56 pm to r2d2
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but as an alumni
You are an alumnus. You're welcome.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 1:01 pm to lsufball19
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Dude, stop. That's a bullshite comment.
Sadly too many people think like this instead of addressing the real issue
Posted on 11/19/20 at 1:03 pm to bopper50
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What's missing from these conversations is why the women put themselves in these bad situations in the first place.
Not that what happened to them is not horrible because it is, but where is the common sense ?
Or....you know....athletes could just not rape them?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 1:29 pm to Tuscaloosa
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You are an alumnus. You're welcome.
People attempting to discuss serious things intelligently. Then Tuscaloosa shows up to troll like an a-hole. Checks out.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 1:30 pm
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