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re: Is Texas to blame for all this conference realignment crap?
Posted on 7/6/22 at 2:17 pm to AggieArchitect04
Posted on 7/6/22 at 2:17 pm to AggieArchitect04
as opposed to aggy’s out and out lies. you all completely neglected to tell how anm took money from the B12 have nots and then backed out of your agreement. So many lies.
now explain how 8&4feit was Texas fault?
poor aggie.
now explain how 8&4feit was Texas fault?
poor aggie.
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 2:28 pm to AggieArchitect04
That hookem guy is one angry dude.
I mean, he could be right. TexAgs may have been the one who decided the Pac wasn't a good fit. In no way could it have been the AD at the time who told me directly and the reasons why. I mean, that would just be unreasonable. But whatever narrative floats your boat hookem dude.
I have never been one to accuse Texas of killing any conference but I had a relationship with people in the department back then and I know EXACTLY why we left the Big XII.
I mean, he could be right. TexAgs may have been the one who decided the Pac wasn't a good fit. In no way could it have been the AD at the time who told me directly and the reasons why. I mean, that would just be unreasonable. But whatever narrative floats your boat hookem dude.
I have never been one to accuse Texas of killing any conference but I had a relationship with people in the department back then and I know EXACTLY why we left the Big XII.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/6/22 at 2:35 pm to cjohn
Gene Stallings was on the Board of Regents when all this went down
Gene rallied the rest of the BORs and maneuvered the move with Governor Perry. It took a year longer than expected because of Texas politics, but we eventually made the move that we wanted to make.
Texas fans think the SEC is the SECrant. Been to bunch of games at home and away since 2012. Tailgated tons with SEC folks around. We belong in the SEC.
In real life, we partners. Horns will have a ton of fun once they join, but for the record, Horns always saw SEC membership as inferior to their status.
Gene rallied the rest of the BORs and maneuvered the move with Governor Perry. It took a year longer than expected because of Texas politics, but we eventually made the move that we wanted to make.
Texas fans think the SEC is the SECrant. Been to bunch of games at home and away since 2012. Tailgated tons with SEC folks around. We belong in the SEC.
In real life, we partners. Horns will have a ton of fun once they join, but for the record, Horns always saw SEC membership as inferior to their status.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 2:39 pm to hookem2522
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as opposed to aggy’s out and out lies. you all completely neglected to tell how anm took money from the B12 have nots and then backed out of your agreement. So many lies.
now explain how 8&4feit was Texas fault?
poor aggie.
Dang, you're right...I had forgotten about the great aggy payoff. Their word lasted all of nine months.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 3:05 pm to Willie_Mac
Texas Senate = 31 members
Texas Exes(alumni) in Senate = 6 (or 20%)
The Texas House of Representatives = 150 members
Texas Exes in House = 34 (or 23%)
Permanent University Fund as established by the Texas Constitution (2/3rds for Texas, 1/3 belongs to A&M).
Changing allocation of PUF requires a Constitutional Amendment, and is done via a Joint Resolution filed by House and Senate. When passed by both chambers, it goes straight to Texas voters to amend, or not, its constitution. Joint Resolutions bypass the Governor (Texas Ex).
In other words, this conversation ain't over yet. Wait until the 88th legislature reconvenes in 2023.
If the PUF were truly to benefit the entire state of Texas, other university systems across the state like Texas Tech, North Texas, Texas State, Houston, and Texas Woman’s would get a cut as well.
This topic goes well beyond and above this web rant.
Texas Exes(alumni) in Senate = 6 (or 20%)
The Texas House of Representatives = 150 members
Texas Exes in House = 34 (or 23%)
Permanent University Fund as established by the Texas Constitution (2/3rds for Texas, 1/3 belongs to A&M).
Changing allocation of PUF requires a Constitutional Amendment, and is done via a Joint Resolution filed by House and Senate. When passed by both chambers, it goes straight to Texas voters to amend, or not, its constitution. Joint Resolutions bypass the Governor (Texas Ex).
In other words, this conversation ain't over yet. Wait until the 88th legislature reconvenes in 2023.
If the PUF were truly to benefit the entire state of Texas, other university systems across the state like Texas Tech, North Texas, Texas State, Houston, and Texas Woman’s would get a cut as well.
This topic goes well beyond and above this web rant.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 3:19 pm to Byrdybyrd05
LHN is what you think caused ALL this?
WOW!
WOW!
Posted on 7/6/22 at 3:23 pm to Byrdybyrd05
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Is Texas to blame for all this conference realignment crap?
If they never started the Longhorn network that nobody watches, Aggies and Mizzou would still be in the big12.
Didn't the Big10 network predate the LHN?
Regardless, conference realignment has been going on for most of the history of college football. The only difference now is the dollar figures being much bigger and related to television sets. The battle for TV rights contracts and how massive they've become just sent realignment into overdrive. But, no, I wouldn't blame this all on Texas and the LHN
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/6/22 at 3:30 pm to lsufball19
yes B1G network launched in 2007
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LHN feud started in 2010ish. Launched in 2011.
The problem with LHN or (Lone Star network if A&M played along) was that Horns wanted to control content, have studios in Austin, and showcase High School games with Horn targets/commits. That was the deal breaker. Money was an issue, but more importantly was content leverage for recruiting advantages.
A&M wanted SEC membership since 90s. We belong in the SEC. Fans in real life get along great and the passion of each fanbase is cultish, like A&M's.
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LHN feud started in 2010ish. Launched in 2011.
The problem with LHN or (Lone Star network if A&M played along) was that Horns wanted to control content, have studios in Austin, and showcase High School games with Horn targets/commits. That was the deal breaker. Money was an issue, but more importantly was content leverage for recruiting advantages.
A&M wanted SEC membership since 90s. We belong in the SEC. Fans in real life get along great and the passion of each fanbase is cultish, like A&M's.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 3:32 pm to Byrdybyrd05
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Is Texas to blame for all this conference realignment crap?
No
1st realignment was instigated by B1G to add Notre Dame and Penn State. They got Penn State then waited at 11 for Notre Dame while SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina and added a Championship game. The other conferences went from there.
2nd realignment was instigated by B1G to add Notre Dame, Texas, and at least1 more to make an even number. B1G got neither and added Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers. Notre Dame landed 1/2 in the ACC while the SEC added TAMU and Mizzou. The remaining conferences shuffled their decks. The irony is Nebraska was AUU but it was B1G votes that got them booted from the AAU.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:00 pm to Willie_Mac
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The problem with LHN or (Lone Star network if A&M played along) was that Horns wanted to control content, have studios in Austin, and showcase High School games with Horn targets/commits. That was the deal breaker. Money was an issue, but more importantly was content leverage for recruiting advantages.
The Lone Star Network (discussions in 2007/2008) was a completely different beast than the LHN (negotiated in 2010). It was a big buy in for A&M with low payout and virtually no control.
When Texas went to ESPN for the LHN, ESPN paid them handsomely with no investment on the part of Texas. Texas did not bother to call A&M and include them in that deal. UIL was part of that one and not part of LSN.
When the LHN contract stuff came out, the words running rampant through the A&M administration was that Texas was not an honest and genuine business partner and could not be trusted.
Truth is at that time Texas and especially Powers (President) and Dodds (AD) were so full of themselves and their recent on field success they felt they didn't need anyone else.
LHN was doomed to fail since its announcement. The SWC failed because it was limited to 1 state after Arkansas left. The Big XII was doomed from the beginning as well because of the lack of high population states outside of Texas.
A&M made the best decision for A&M at the time and still now. Texas is now having to make a similar decision, whether they stick to the SEC or flip to the B1G they are not really in control. They have to make a move or get left behind regardless.
The next round of TV contracts is coming and the Big XII isn't going to be near par with B1G or SEC with or without Texas, and no way ESPN would extend LHN for anything close to the first contract when it eventually comes to an end. So Texas (rightfully) needs to ensure their future. I don't begrudge them that.
Texas did not kill the SWC or Big XII as a power 5 conference. They just hastened them both along to their eventual demise.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:20 pm to Byrdybyrd05
quote:Ask the Southwest Conference. Ask Nebraska. Ask Colorado. Ask Texas A&M. Ask Missouri.
Is Texas to blame for all this conference realignment crap?
Not sure how many examples a person needs before they're convinced.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:34 pm to TX Tiger
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Ask the Southwest Conference. Ask Nebraska. Ask Colorado. Ask Texas A&M. Ask Missouri. Not sure how many examples a person needs before they're convinced.
You can expand that to anyone who has been in a conference with them.
There is not one school that has been in a conference with tu that wouldn't agree with this besides maybe their little boyfriend that they drag around, Oklahoma.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:42 pm to cjohn
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When the LHN contract stuff came out, the words running rampant through the A&M administration was that Texas was not an honest and genuine business partner and could not be trusted.
Exactly. It's not that the LHN was going to happen, it's that Texas flat out lied to everyone in the Big 12 to get it approved, and the true scope of the channel's intended uses and media rights was totally different than what UT had pitched the rest of the Big 12 conference.
The airing of HS school games featuring UT recruits was axed by the NCAA if I recall. So that turned out to be a non-issue.
The clause excluding any content or event featuring one or more UT students from airing on any future Big 12 network, was the bombshell. It basically guaranteed that there would never be a Big 12 tv network, even of the other conference members banded together to create one, it wouldn't be able to air anything that featured UT in any way.
Track meets, olympic sports, media days, or anything else that features all conference members at once? To this day can't be put on a Big 12 network as long as Texas is there. Only things that don't involve Texas in any way. Sneaky underhanded fricks didn't just want to have their own channel, they wanted to make sure nobody else in the conference could.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:42 pm to Krampus
i’m amazed that all these aggies gather around in cult like fashion and LIE thru their teeth. One tells a lie and another comes along to confirm the first lie and then add another. They continue endlessly in their group think, and whatever propaganda makes anm look good. Cults do not tell the truth, and aggy hasn’t here either.
poor aggies
poor aggies
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:49 pm to hookem2522
I’m amazed (and amused) that ALL you post about and respond to is TEXAS A&M.
Thanks for letting us laugh at you.
Thanks for letting us laugh at you.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:50 pm to AggieArchitect04
He is a below average internet troll.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:57 pm to cjohn
at least you didn’t write another book telling how smart you think you are.
poor aggie
poor aggie
Posted on 7/6/22 at 7:48 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Absolutely ??
Feel better?
Feel better?
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:31 pm to hookem2522
another fact
horns are following aggies to the SEC
horns following aggies
horns down
horns are sawed off
horns are following aggies to the SEC
horns following aggies
horns down
horns are sawed off
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:24 am to Willie_Mac
I still remember the end of the SWC and the shotgun marriage that formed the Big XII. The Big XII was never even supposed to happen, but state politics forced a compromise from the universities in CS and Austin
I'd say Dodds was to blame for a lot of this, after the sips won with Vince - not necessarily Texas. Got too big for his britches, and began to dictate to those around him. The cracks in the Big XII that had been there from the start simply became more apparent due to his heavy handed manner.
I'd say Dodds was to blame for a lot of this, after the sips won with Vince - not necessarily Texas. Got too big for his britches, and began to dictate to those around him. The cracks in the Big XII that had been there from the start simply became more apparent due to his heavy handed manner.
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