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Is Texas to blame for all this conference realignment crap?

Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:43 pm
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:43 pm
If they never started the Longhorn network that nobody watches, Aggies and Mizzou would still be in the big12.
Posted by LonghornMM
Texas
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:55 pm to
Wrong. a&m was already in discussion about leaving the Big 12 before the LHN. Texas approached a&m and AD Bill Byrne about forming the Lone Star Network, with equal shares going to both Texas and a&m, and Byrne turned it down. He said that it would never work. After that, Texas began discussion with ESPN and the LHN was formed. a&m lied and blamed Texas and LHN for the reason why they left the Big 12, when the reality is they already had one foot out the door.
Posted by bah7tea
Member since May 2015
97 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:58 pm to
It is definitely a main antagonist. But this started in 1984 with a court case:

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The Supreme Court broke the NCAA's hold on television rights to college football games.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:11 pm to
Then you can blame the rest of the B12. Every team in the B12 either turned down a conference tv channel &/or was trying to develop their own behind the scenes. They had several years to say yes to a conference deal.
Posted by osu125
OKC
Member since Jul 2022
54 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:20 pm to
The 1984 court case first started the tv money.

BIG12 forming with an unequal Revenue model that eventually ran off one of the teams is was intended to help enrich (Nebraska).

5 Big 12 south schools and Colorado schools flirting with the PAC 10 but then changing their mind ran off Colorado.

aTm’s constant quest to escape the shadow of Texas sent them packing.

David Boren saying ou wouldn’t be wallflowers in realignment helped nudge Missouri as well.

The Longhorn network never had much to do with it.
Posted by truth22
Member since May 2021
1208 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 1:35 am to
Typical T-sip lying their arse off. Suffice it to say you’re wrong.
Posted by ouflak
Manchester, England
Member since Jul 2021
341 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 2:00 am to
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David Boren saying ou wouldn’t be wallflowers in realignment helped nudge Missouri as well.

As well as saying that OU and Oklahoma State were joined at the hip conference-wise. That certainly sent a bit of shockwave through other B12 athletic departments at the time and even through OU fans. On that basis alone, I can't blame Missouri for getting out at the first opportunity. USC/UCLA being tied together, I can easily see the argument. No way any school's fate should be tied to Oklahoma State (except maybe a school like Tulsa, Oral Roberts or the like).
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 2:03 am
Posted by SOBMarcus
San Marcos
Member since Apr 2020
1382 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:56 am to
We we have eventually arrived at this point anyway, because of the Gordon Gecko principle…
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:06 am to
It was them trying to pack us into the pac 12 without our consent that caused all the bullshite. The longhorn network was just the excuse we needed to leave them in B12 with the have nots.

But, yes. 100% this is the fricking longhorns' doing. ALL of it.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 8:08 am
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:18 am to
Why not, you snowflakes.
Posted by Buster83
Member since Aug 2021
3433 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:04 am to
quote:

Wrong. a&m was already in discussion about leaving the Big 12 before the LHN. Texas approached a&m and AD Bill Byrne about forming the Lone Star Network, with equal shares going to both Texas and a&m, and Byrne turned it down. He said that it would never work. After that, Texas began discussion with ESPN and the LHN was formed. a&m lied and blamed Texas and LHN for the reason why they left the Big 12, when the reality is they already had one foot out the door.




Wow, there is a lot wrong here.

The donghorns were looking into joining the PAC back in 2010 and had to have A&M join with them in order to seal the deal. Chokelahoma was not even part of the discussion. A&M seriously considered it but in the end decided it was not a good fit and declined the offer.

A&M started discussing joining the SEC back in 2011. About the same time, tu and A&M were looking into a network channel with ESPN that was supposed to be shared by both schools.

One year later, the SEC invited A&M to join the SEC. They also were continuing to work with ESPN on a network. It was becoming pretty obvious that the network was going to be controlled by the donghorns. DeLoss Dodds, donghorn AD at the time, in his arrogant way, even admitted that they planned to use the network to show high school games of potential recruits. A&M felt like this would more or less lockdown recruiting in Texas in favor of the teasips, so they accepted the offer by the SEC. DeLoss Dodds was furious and refused to schedule A&M, ending the 100 year plus rivalry. As a matter of fact, all Big 12 teams were ordered to not schedule the Aggies in football. The butthurt by the donghorns and the rest of the Big 12 was amazing. Bills were introduced into the state legislature to try and block the move. Baylor even tried to sue us for moving to the SEC.

Now, little sister teasip and big brother BlowU are following daddy A&M to the SEC.

This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 10:35 am
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:23 am to
I'll be honest. I thought the NCAA v. Alston supreme court case is what blew it up and eliminated any concern that schools had regarding the NCAA, or fear about throwing money anywhere and everywhere.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
8547 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:26 am to
Maybe.

We're thankful for the money both Texas schools are providing tho.
Posted by MAROON
Houston
Member since Jul 2012
1762 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 10:16 am to
the answer to any question regarding blame in any situation is - The University of Texas.

Hell their motto is "what starts here will frick up the world"
Posted by agswin
The Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
4339 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 10:24 am to
Asking for an acquaintance (because they have no friends). If a school won the lottery and was invited into the best collegiate conference in the world but saw their woke friends in Cali and Yankee land joining up, could they back out of a handshake agreement? There is a monetary contract to break but it has not been signed.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
10910 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 10:30 am to
Oklahoma and Georgia are to blame for it by winning a Supreme Court case against the NCAA.
Posted by charliethehun
Member since Jul 2021
1010 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 10:33 am to
As a Vandy & Texas fan

I'd like to thank Texas for the add'l $$$$$
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7207 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:00 am to
They were the blame in 91, they were the blame on the last one, and they are to blame for this one.
Posted by Reservoir Ag
Member since Dec 2020
3572 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:02 am to
Weird flex… are y’all lovers?
Posted by cjohn
Georgia
Member since Aug 2014
843 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Wrong. a&m was already in discussion about leaving the Big 12 before the LHN. Texas approached a&m and AD Bill Byrne about forming the Lone Star Network, with equal shares going to both Texas and a&m, and Byrne turned it down. He said that it would never work. After that, Texas began discussion with ESPN and the LHN was formed. a&m lied and blamed Texas and LHN for the reason why they left the Big 12, when the reality is they already had one foot out the door.


Longhorn speaks the truth about the Lone Star Network, but let's fill in a few details he left out.

The "buy in" for A&M was to be $6M to $7M and the payout was to be between $2M and $3M per year. Oh, and the network offices and all production was to be in Austin.

They sure as hell didn't run back to A&M to talk network after ESPN basically offered them conference money to keep the Big 12 in existence.

But the reason A&M left angry was due to being directly deceived to by Texas about the LHN. An email thread between ESPN and the Texas athletic department was leaked to A&M about using LHN to highlight Texas targets essentially using the network as a recruiting tool. The LHN contract was leaked to A&M as well complete with terms on how UIL rights would become property of LHN allowing UIL events to be broadcast on the LHN.

For those that do not know, the UIL is governing body for high school sports in Texas and is operated via the University of Texas in the same way as A&M operates other state entities like the Texas Transportation Institute. There is no controversy over the UIL per se, but Texas and ESPN were trying to sneak it in as a "UT property" for the LHN. Quite frankly, it probably would have made the network more interesting and given it more viewership, but the additional recruiting advantage would have been ridiculous.

At any rate, upon confronting Texas over said plans, Texas flat out denied both the UIL being on the LHN as well as using it as a recruiting tool. Once A&M let them know they had all the leaked information, Texas and ESPN backed off any UIL plans, but the water was already under the bridge.

It was an interesting time. When the SEC first came calling in 2010 the fan base was split about 50-50 and A&M made the decision to not pursue the SEC. In 2011 after the events above, well, the rest is history. The fanbase was not only onboard, they were ready to go now.

SEC guys will learn about Texas in the years to come. The best way I can describe them is the rich kid that lives on the cul de sac with the large lot. They have their own tennis court and they invite you down to play with them. They hand you the $30 racket and they break out their $600 racket for themselves then crow to anyone that will listen that they spanked you. Hopefully the SEC can keep that in check.

I do have to admit though I always admired their business savviness when it came to sports. For basically my entire life they always seemed to make the right decision at the right time and enjoyed a ton of success. However, after A&M left, they seem to have gone down the path of making the exact wrong decision at just about every turn since that point.

Personally, I think Texas is a better fit culturally in the B1G vs the SEC. Texas fans are very fair weather meaning they are rowdy when they are good but completely disappear when things are bad. Academically, A&M, Texas and believe it or not, Rice all cooperate together on a myriad of research and other projects. That will be the case (and has been the case) with or without common athletic conference affiliation.

Apologies in advance for writing War and Peace. I didnt intend it to be so long.
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