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re: Is it better to win the SEC season, or SEC tournament?
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:16 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:16 pm to TigerLunatik
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How so? If Bama doesn't win the conference tournament, will the conference tournament champion be seeded above them?
You’re missing the point.
Basketball programs as a whole, are judged by post season tournaments, not regular seasons.
I gave my argument a couple posts back on how I would minimize the impact of just tournaments mattering. Get rid of two conference champions. Either do away with conference tourneys or do away with regular season titles. There should be one conference champion and that team should get the leagues auto bid.
This post was edited on 2/27/21 at 9:18 pm
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Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:16 pm to Crede15
True. You were only the regular season champions. Nothing is guaranteed.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:18 pm to Hawgeye
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Basketball programs as a whole, are judged by post season tournaments, not regular seasons.
So, if Kentucky or Georgia wins the the SEC tournament, that's a better season than Bama winning the SEC regular season title?
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:20 pm to TigerLunatik
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So, if Kentucky or Georgia wins the the SEC tournament, that's a better season than Bama winning the SEC regular season title?
If Kentucky or Georgia make a Final Four or make it longer in the NCAA tourney, yes.
Again, basketball seasons and programs are judged on tournament play.
This post was edited on 2/27/21 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:21 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I would say if you are a 1-3 seed then it is a waste of time. 4-7 seeded teams might want to win a few more or just one to improve seeding but still cautious a bout the freshness of the team.
It is the dreaded 8-10 seeds that might as well win the conference tournament to avoid facing the 1 seeds in the second round.
The rest have coaches on the hot seat and winning the conference tournament gets them another year.
It is the dreaded 8-10 seeds that might as well win the conference tournament to avoid facing the 1 seeds in the second round.
The rest have coaches on the hot seat and winning the conference tournament gets them another year.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:24 pm to Hawgeye
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If Kentucky or Georgia make a Final Four or make it longer in the NCAA tourney, yes.
What happens in the NCAA tournament is irrelevant to this topic. This is about what happens before the tournament begins.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:26 pm to Hawgeye
That is correct, a final four is better than a conference title.
The regular season is nothing more than preparation for the big dance. The NCAA tournament is the beginning of a new season with no room for error.
The regular season is nothing more than preparation for the big dance. The NCAA tournament is the beginning of a new season with no room for error.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:29 pm to TigerLunatik
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What happens in the NCAA tournament is irrelevant to this topic. This is about what happens before the tournament begins.
It’s absolutely relevant. At that point, it makes the SEC Tourney title the better win because the overall perception is that those two teams had better seasons.
Again though, you’re not following my entire posts and selectively reading what you want to read.
Two champions should be tossed. One champion only.
This post was edited on 2/27/21 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:31 pm to remaster916
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Tournament, gets you an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. Regular season title doesn't get you anything.
I feel like we might be in
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:33 pm to Hawgeye
I would also add that if you polled all 300+ college programs, conference tourney titles would likely win in a landslide.
Again though, this goes to my thinking on having one champion. I’ve always felt bad for a team that goes 24-4 in their regular season, then loses in their conference tourney and their season ends.
Again though, this goes to my thinking on having one champion. I’ve always felt bad for a team that goes 24-4 in their regular season, then loses in their conference tourney and their season ends.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:40 pm to Eli Goldfinger
If you play well enough to win the SEC Regular Season then you’re far more likely to be in the NCAA Tournament at a higher seed. I’ll take that over not having to worry about winning the SEC Tournament to get the autobid.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:43 pm to Eli Goldfinger
My opinion is the season.
Most conferences, especially the smaller ones, get their champ via their tourney.
The SEC champion is whoever wins the regular season. We, however, give our auto-bid to whoever wins the tournament.
Honestly it's probably better to win the tourney for you because it gets you in and we usually win the reg season.
However, its fairly rare for the team who can run the table in Nashville that isn't at least decent in the reg season and already a tourney team. 2008 UGA is the most recent example I can think of who wasn't getting in without a tourney title.
I guess the easy answer is winning the reg season means you're SEC champ, so why is it any more fricking difficult than that?
Most conferences, especially the smaller ones, get their champ via their tourney.
The SEC champion is whoever wins the regular season. We, however, give our auto-bid to whoever wins the tournament.
Honestly it's probably better to win the tourney for you because it gets you in and we usually win the reg season.
However, its fairly rare for the team who can run the table in Nashville that isn't at least decent in the reg season and already a tourney team. 2008 UGA is the most recent example I can think of who wasn't getting in without a tourney title.
I guess the easy answer is winning the reg season means you're SEC champ, so why is it any more fricking difficult than that?
This post was edited on 2/27/21 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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If you play well enough to win the SEC Regular Season then you’re far more likely to be in the NCAA Tournament at a higher seed. I’ll take that over not having to worry about winning the SEC Tournament to get the autobid.
Yep. Also the regular season champs are the SEC Champs, the tourney champs are not. They are both great to win, and a large part of the measuring stick of a program.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Bingo.
If you play well enough to win the SEC Regular Season then you’re far more likely to be in the NCAA Tournament at a higher seed. I’ll take that over not having to worry about winning the SEC Tournament to get the autobid.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:50 pm to UKWildcats
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I guess the easy answer is winning the reg season means you're SEC champ, so why is it any more fricking difficult than that?
My argument is why have 2? Why can’t we have one?
I thought this season may be an opportunity for that to happen. Let’s just either say and go with the regular season conference schedule being more important or the conference tourneys being more important. I absolutely hate having both. It’s either one or the other.
I love March basketball...and as I stated above, it pains me to see a mid major go 24-4 in their regular season and then that season is defined by one game or even 10 seconds. We either need to do away with regular season champions or we need to do away with conference tourneys.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:55 pm to Hawgeye
quote:I understand and actually agree with your logic.
My argument is why have 2? Why can’t we have one?
There's no way for me to not sound like an arrogant douche as a UK guy about this with my take, but honestly, has it not helped many of y'all out having that extra bid? We don't win both ever year. We do win at least one pretty much every year.
I don't really have any other logic to refute it because I agree.
In principle, I would say winning the season is what matters. If you get through 18 games, you've proven yourself, v an arbitrary tournament. I've always looked as the tournament as an opportunity for someone else in the conference to guarantee themselves a spot, or to have a good showing and bolster their bubble resume.
This post was edited on 2/27/21 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 2/27/21 at 10:21 pm to Eli Goldfinger
NCAA tournament>regular season>conference champion
The SEC team that makes it farthest in the ncaa tournament had a better season than the regular season champion. Neither conference champion means anything if you can't make it to the second weekend.
The SEC team that makes it farthest in the ncaa tournament had a better season than the regular season champion. Neither conference champion means anything if you can't make it to the second weekend.
This post was edited on 2/27/21 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 2/27/21 at 10:30 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why do we have regular season champions in basketball and baseball but you actually have to win the SECCG to be the conference champion in football?
Because you could have two teams with identical records who did not play each other in the regular season. That and the $$$
Posted on 2/27/21 at 10:44 pm to GeauxTigers1410
quote:Well....again...the regular season winner IS the SEC champion. So I think you mean regular season is better than tourney champion, which is true.
NCAA tournament>regular season>conference champion
The SEC team that makes it farthest in the ncaa tournament had a better season than the regular season champion. Neither conference champion means anything if you can't make it to the second weekend.
I kinda agree and disagree with your second part because there's a lot of nuance to that. Short answer is that's not always true.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:16 am to Eli Goldfinger
Yes
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