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re: Is it better to win the SEC season, or SEC tournament?
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:19 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:19 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Tournament
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Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:20 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Regular Season
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:28 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Season and it's really not a debatable topic.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:28 pm to I-59 Tiger
Man, you're pissed
No joke, I have the program book from your Final 4 in 86. Signed by Reddon and Greg Dreiling. Was there and watched it all. I'll sell it to you
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:30 pm to remaster916
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Tournament, gets you an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.
Regular season title doesn't get you anything.
If you win the regular season, you're gonna get in the tournament.
The conference tournaments are a money grab and the automatic bid is selling point for the Cinderella stores. Teams don't even play half of the conference in the tournament.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:39 pm to TigerLunatik
A lot of teams try to avoid winning it because they want to be as well rested as possible for the NCAA tournament.
But a lot of teams will win it regardless if they have a deep bench. But it is mostly for teams that need an automatic bid. But the problem is the legs get weak and the team will get bounced in the first round.
But a lot of teams will win it regardless if they have a deep bench. But it is mostly for teams that need an automatic bid. But the problem is the legs get weak and the team will get bounced in the first round.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:41 pm to Hawgeye
All of these “what does it even mean if you get bounced early in the NCAAs” arguments are so strange. The SEC tournament winner is also fully capable of getting bounced early in the NCAAs.
It’s irrelevant to this specific debate. You either think winning the regular season title is the greater accomplishment or you think winning the tournament championship is the greater accomplishment.
I guess the automatic bid is a part of this debate, but just fricking barely. Alabama is a 2 seed.
What was the last SEC regular season champion that didn’t make the tournament during the 64 team era? That wasn’t on probation?
It’s irrelevant to this specific debate. You either think winning the regular season title is the greater accomplishment or you think winning the tournament championship is the greater accomplishment.
I guess the automatic bid is a part of this debate, but just fricking barely. Alabama is a 2 seed.
What was the last SEC regular season champion that didn’t make the tournament during the 64 team era? That wasn’t on probation?
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:41 pm to Sao
How's that? I find these threads hilarious when Arkansas fans jump in lecturing fans on how to measure basketball success. Hog fans see the Arkansas program as a blue blood.A team which such rich success and demands such excellence shouldn't have 25 year gaps between Sweet 16 appearances while VCU,Loyola-Chicago and Auburn have made FINAL FOUR appearances in that same period.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:41 pm to dchog
Yeah...it seems advantageous to get knocked out early if you won the regular season.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:42 pm to I-59 Tiger
I-59 has spoken.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:43 pm to dchog
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A lot of teams try to avoid winning it because they want to be as well rested as possible for the NCAA tournament.
Exactly. The regular season championship is the more difficult accomplishment. You're showing the quality of your team vs more teams and that your team is consistent.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:51 pm to Crede15
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Crede15
My point is more of, neither really matters if your team doesn’t do well in March. Yes, I highly doubt any P5 regular season champ has ever missed the NCAAs.
I think regular season basketball titles meant more years ago. I think the NCAA expanding to 64+ teams sort of put the accomplishment on the back burner in my opinion.
It’s different than football. In football, you need that conference title in your pocket to feel good about getting in the playoff. In basketball, any team in the field has a chance to make the Elite8/Final Four.
It’s a great accomplishment, no doubt about it. Just saying in the grand scheme of things, what matters most to a program? A good example would be 2017. Kentucky won the regular season, but South Carolina went to the Final Four. Who had the better season? That’s likely debatable amongst fans. My personal opinion would be South Carolina.
It’s certainly a great discussion and something I’d love to see coaches give answers to as well.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:53 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:All that downtime and LSU hasn't made a fricking dent in the monumental gap between our programs.
A team which such rich success and demands such excellence shouldn't have 25 year gaps between Sweet 16 appearances while VCU,Loyola-Chicago and Auburn have made FINAL FOUR appearances in that same period.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:53 pm to Frac the world
quote:The rant certainly singing a different tune today than when LSU won the season a couple years ago
Season
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:54 pm to I-59 Tiger
Dude, compared to LSU we are a Blue Blood. You're recent hoops anger in 2021 is pretty funny. Sack up.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:54 pm to Hawgeye
I’d also add that this discussion seems to come up every season and it’s always interesting to see everyone’s responses.
The Missouri program is a good example. I’m not picking on them, but I’d be willing to wager they’d trade half of their all time conference titles for 1-2 Final Four appearances.
I don’t think there is necessarily a correct or incorrect answer to the OP’s question, FYI.
The Missouri program is a good example. I’m not picking on them, but I’d be willing to wager they’d trade half of their all time conference titles for 1-2 Final Four appearances.
I don’t think there is necessarily a correct or incorrect answer to the OP’s question, FYI.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:57 pm to Hawgeye
Well sure, but that’s not the original debate. I would agree that South Carolina had the better year in that case. It’s the Final Four.
I agree that March is what defines a program, or at least is what is more important. But by March I mean the NCAAs, not the SEC tournament.
I would like Alabama to win the SEC tournament, but I’d quickly move on to being thankful for the rest if we got bounced early. Probably the worst case is losing the tourney final.
I agree that March is what defines a program, or at least is what is more important. But by March I mean the NCAAs, not the SEC tournament.
I would like Alabama to win the SEC tournament, but I’d quickly move on to being thankful for the rest if we got bounced early. Probably the worst case is losing the tourney final.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:05 pm to Crede15
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I agree that March is what defines a program, or at least is what is more important. But by March I mean the NCAAs, not the SEC tournament.
Which is sort of my point. An argument could be made that all that matters is tournaments.
I’ve long been an advocate for conferences to weight the regular season more. As of now, tournaments are weighted more. I had the thought this season may lead to that change.
I actually think it’s dumb to have two champions. Maybe I’m an odd duck. I believe leagues should either A) use the regular season for conference tourney seeding or B) do away with conference tourneys all together.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:09 pm to Hawgeye
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As of now, tournaments are weighted more.
How so? If Bama doesn't win the conference tournament, will the conference tournament champion be seeded above them?
Posted on 2/27/21 at 9:13 pm to TigerLunatik
That’s assuming we make it in.
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