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re: Is Bama in a perpetual rebuild?

Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:53 am to
Posted by labamafan
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:53 am to
All of those hurt but losing both 1 and 2 WR with a piss poor OL that was intact all year was a recipe for disaster. Last years team was not close to his best and the fact he almost won a NC with that group proves he’s a great coach and not just winning with talent. I don’t think he is softer I think he has to become what the kids of this generation want.
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:56 am to
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Those coordinators are Golding and arse Face…

Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25497 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:00 am to
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And the returning production is pretty black and white on why it was considered a transition year.



USA Today citing ESPN


#92 UGA
#110

Bama and UGA are always in high turnover mode.
5 stars want the NFL in 3 years. It is part of both of our pitches.

Your 2021 team should have been reloaded with the 2019 recruiting class (one of the all time highs at the time ).

Just like our team relied on Nakobe Dean,Travon Walker, Lewis Cine, Nolan Smith, Warren McClendon,and Stetson Bennett from that 2019 class (#2 behind Bama).
Posted by Pulpwood Patterson
Member since Dec 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:05 am to
And lost to TAMU
…..shut down by Auburn
….shut down by LSU
……and their osteoporosis flaired up against UGA. Sucks being so brittle.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:08 am to
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Bama and UGA are always in high turnover mode.
5 stars want the NFL in 3 years. It is part of both of our pitches.


It's been made pretty clear in this thread why last year was different than others. Not sure why you keep choosing to play coy about that.

Alabama and Georgia each have years when you are replacing the core guys with raw talent and, as or more important, lose your entire leadership structure. It doesn't happen every other year because sometimes you have staggered turnover, but certain years it just all seems to hit.

2021 everything hit because we had a large number of guys come back after 2019 for 2020 (Najee, Devonta, Leatherwood), which was great for 2020 but also meant that we'd have normal departures plus overdue departures from 2019. All that led to having a team in 2021 that replaced basically the entire offense at all skill positions and a large chunk of the o-line.

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Your 2021 team should have been reloaded with the 2019 recruiting class (one of the all time highs at the time ).



Our 2019 class had wash outs (Alfano, Sopsher), busts (Quick, Eboigbe, Kight) and injuries (Sanders). It had a lot of solid 2021 players (Battle, Neal, Byron Young, Hellams, C. Harris, Dale), but they were almost exclusively on defense.

Our offense had good players they were all brand new and all learning stuff at the exact same time. And that's why we had some games where we were on fire (Miami, Ole Miss, A&M) and some games where we looked unable to function (Florida, LSU, Auburn).

We had a similar situation defensively in 2019. Just too many brand new guys thrown into the mix after a toxic combination of large turnover + injuries to the few returning players with some experience.

It happens to everyone at some point. Nobody is immune from it, even teams that recruit 1,000,000 5-stars.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 10:12 am
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:11 am to
Bama will crush everyone they play this year by 20+ points.

Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:12 am to
You’re not using silly nicknames for Pete Golding now?
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
6700 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:16 am to
reloading...not rebuilding.

saban was wrong with his comments about last year
Posted by TDawg70
Ringgold GA
Member since Apr 2022
170 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:32 am to
I think it's due to poor coaching. How do you not have a credible back up in your receiving corp when you're top receiver goes down? Sabans a shitty coach, if he cant coach up a 5 star receiver to step in. I mean, it's the last game of the season and all you have is shite behind your #1 & #2 guy's.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:34 am to
Haven't the issues at WR been documented pretty well?
Posted by MacMan10
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2020
2122 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:34 am to
This guy is mad
Posted by TDawg70
Ringgold GA
Member since Apr 2022
170 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:42 am to
lol...mad? No. I just think it's funny as shite that he whines about it being a rebuilding year and the gump nation falls in line, lock step. Ignore the fact that he had a receivers room full of 5 stars all year, but failed to get them enough playing time through out the year to be ready to step up and play. Gotta be shitty coaching.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72119 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:44 am to
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Ignore the fact that he had a receivers room full of 5 stars all year, but failed to get them enough playing time through out the year to be ready to step up and play. Gotta be shitty coaching.



Well that’s a take.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
Member since Oct 2018
5351 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:52 am to
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Sabans a shitty coach, if he cant coach up a 5 star receiver to step in. I mean, it's the last game of the season and all you have is shite behind your #1 & #2 guy's.


He’s such a shitty coach and can’t develop his young guys he substituted a true freshman QB into national championship game and whipped your asses and broke your hearts.

P.S. Game winning catch made by another true freshman. Go sit your 1-7 vs Bama arse down.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:00 am to
Last year that had issues on Oline and defense, they were really a top ten team that should have lost 2-3 games but were well coached and honestly a little bit lucky. I had them at 9-2 or even worst case 8-3 which easily could have happened. it wasn’t a Championship caliber team but they won the SEC title so they ended up exceeding expectations of any knowledgeable bama fan.

It was a rebuilding year last year, Saban did a great job, and your coaches are not great game guys as they were totally outcoached at SEC title game.

Now this year if bama doesn’t win it all, that would be a real disappointment. (Now that I am bama person now too)
Georgia you are not a championship caliber team this year, you will probably win east but u will drop a game along the way, and bama will destroy you in Atlanta. You will end up 10-2 to 9-3 on the outside looking in unless u get lucky
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25497 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:20 am to
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Alabama and Georgia each have years when you are replacing the core guys with raw talent

I agree 1000%
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and, as or more important, lose your entire leadership structure

But that is every season.
UGA lost 7 DBs after 2020.
But you develop and find leadership anyway.
We lost 6 DBs after 2021.
We will develop and find leadership anyway.
We lost our Mike linebacker after 2020 (Monty rice). But we had the class of 2019 ready to step into that leadership position.
We lost our captain of the DBs after 2020 (Richard lecounte). But we had the class of 2019 to step into that leadership position.

UGA and Bama are both known to be stockpiling talent. And it isn't uncommon for developing players to "wait their turn".
Our 6th man on the OL in 2022 is a high 5 star from the class of 2021 (still waiting his turn). If we are healthy, it will be his 3rd and final season in college for him to show his worth to the country.

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but also meant that we'd have normal departures plus overdue departures from 2019.

I don't follow you. The 2019 class were juniors and RsSophs in 2021. How/why would they depart after 2020?

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Our 2019 class had wash outs (Alfano, Sopsher), busts (Quick, Eboigbe, Kight) and injuries (Sanders). It had a lot of solid 2021 players (Battle, Neal, Byron Young, Hellams, C. Harris, Dale), but they were almost exclusively on defense.

Our offense had good players they were all brand new and all learning stuff at the exact same time. And that's why we had some games where we were on fire (Miami, Ole Miss, A&M) and some games where we looked unable to function (Florida, LSU, Auburn).

We had a similar situation defensively in 2019. Just too many brand new guys thrown into the mix after a toxic combination of large turnover + injuries to the few returning players with some experience.

It happens to everyone at some point. Nobody is immune from it, even teams that recruit 1,000,000 5-stars.


It sounds like your staff didn't develop that great 2019 class for some reason. They are supposed to be your leaders for 2021.
Recruiting is part of coaching in college football.
Did your staff miss on evals?
Did your staff ignore the underclassmen in practice?
When you don't have the talent in 2019 and 2018 coming back, your staff has to stock up on 2020 and 2021 kids.
UGAs receiving Corp was a bunch of 2021 kids (Bowers was a mid to high 4 star, AD Mitchell was a 3 star).

UGAs OL saw heavy action from our 2020 class (Broderick Jones, sedrick van pran. Tate ratledge was a starter until his broken foot which was the primary factor in needing both Jones and Van Pran).

Lastly, Bama was there for game 15.
Only 2 teams made it that far. If a freshman or redshirt freshman isn't ready for football by game 15, you are doing something wrong. They are more a sophomore/rsJr at that point than anything
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It happens to everyone at some point. Nobody is immune from it, even teams that recruit 1,000,000 5-stars.

The past 4 seasons, UGAs OL and DB room has been bounced around like a plinking board.
We played Bama in 2018 with our 4th right guard. True freshman Trey Hill got to play with Quinnen Williams in the dome. It wasn't pretty.
We played Bama in the NCG with our 3rd RG this past season (it went much better because the recruiting has been up to par with Bama for the past 4 classes).
That type of "next man up" will always be part of the game.
We lost our best receiver for 2017 (Wims), best receiver for 2018 (holloman), best receiver for 2019 (cager) all by our SECCG/NCGs.
If we don't like it, recruit better. With the injuries to Pickens, Washington, Burton, Kearis Jackson, Arian Smith, and Marcus Rosemy-JackSaint, we did a good job with that 2021 class.
Posted by PayPal
Member since Jun 2022
524 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:25 am to
hard to consider it a rebuild when you play for titles every year
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25497 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:26 am to
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He’s such a shitty coach and can’t develop his young guys he substituted a true freshman QB into national championship game and whipped your asses and broke your hearts.

P.S. Game winning catch made by another true freshman. Go sit your 1-7 vs Bama arse down.


I think you are making his point for him.
In 2017, Bama had The Process and No Excuses.
In 2021, Bama has fans pissed at other teams fans who notice that he is making excuses because his #1 recruiting class in 2019 didn't have players to step in (or the 4 receivers from 2020, or the 5 receivers in 2021).
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 11:27 am
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
Member since Sep 2013
8423 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:27 am to
GA was "rebuilding" in 2021 when he got his arse whooped.
Posted by TDawg70
Ringgold GA
Member since Apr 2022
170 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:31 am to
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Go sit your 1-7 vs Bama arse down.




But there it is, there's that 1 that you Gumps can't seem to get over without making excuses...You'll always remember that 1, where UGA beat the gumps with a walk on Q.B, that targeted 9 different receivers. Don't you wish you would have had 9 receivers to step up and make a play.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 11:34 am
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