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re: Is Bama better prepared for a Post-Saban era than it was for Post Bear?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:57 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:57 pm to CrimsonFever
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Saban has a son.
Adopted, doesn't have the same tiger blood.
You just admitted that Saban has "Tiger" blood.
As for the OP question, no one can replace Saban or be like him. He is a once in a generation coach. He would have made any upper level program dominant and would have won several more titles at LSU if he would have stayed.
When he leaves, Bama will decline. The next hire is crucial, obviously, but no one has dominated the way that Saban has. Even a very good coach will not keep Bama at this level.
You can slam Miles all you want, but he is a very good coach. He makes mistakes, but if he were as stupid as everyone says, LSU would have tanked by 2009. The 2011 team was more dominant than any team that Saban ever fielded at LSU OR Alabama - until they faced the Saban-coached 2011 Alabama team a second time.
Bama will still be good, but they won't be THIS good. Primarily because no matter what the next coach does, it will never be as good as Saban and the pressure will build until it crushes the guy. The genius of Miles is his ability to block all that pressure out and just keep going. It is infuriating at the same time because you want him to get his hands off the offense and hire a competent OC, but you take the good with the bad, I guess.
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 7:13 pm to AlaTiger
Literal tiger blood, not LSU tiger blood.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:02 pm to CrimsonFever
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Literal tiger blood, not LSU tiger blood.
I don't understand the difference.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:18 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Saban has a son. Supreme rule will pass to him when Saban and the organization sees fit. God will shine down and bless him with the divine right of power that his father and the Bear had before him. He will lead his people to many a battle....and process many along the way. Many a crystal ball shall be plundered and his enemies will weep before him. Praise the new Saban.
I do love this quote.
I also do believe this propelled us to a downward spiral. I also believe it is the reason why we are back ;)
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:22 pm to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
Couldn't agree more in terms of being realistic. It all depends on the mental disposition of the next guy to withstand AMPLE pressure. Well, that AND being a hell of a replacement coach.
One thing is for sure, Alabama is bigger than Saban by himself. But, by God... Saban is a living God of college football coaching.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:24 pm to m2pro
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:32 pm to JDM1992
Bryant didn't leave talent? Hmmm. Well, that only helps the next coach transition. And I think Perkins did fine except for the ole Auburn game. Or so I've been told lots.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:35 pm to m2pro
This post was edited on 2/9/13 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:38 pm to JDM1992
Oh, duh. Definitely Curry, who went to good ole Kentucky, lol. 10-4
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:57 pm to r2d2
Wtf? Wtf do steroids even have to do with ANYTHING?
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:58 pm to m2pro
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I am about to be 31, so any of you who are older definitely correct me on how off-based I am, but we didn't get a reputation of firing coaches pretty quick for nothing... am I right?
Are we better prepared for whenever that does happen now?
EASILY more prepared. Bama's problem after Bryant was not the quick trigger finger to fire coaches, a lack of talent, or anything else.
It was Pat Dye. Bama fans can say what they want, but Dye was one HELL of a coach. One of the best the SEC has EVER seen. He was a hard arse of the 10th degree. He was such a hard arse when he got to AU he makes saban look like a pussy (seriously). He had a rep when he arrived at AU of being a hard core militant dictator. He ran off 20-25% of the entire team his first spring training and in his first two years, took on vastly superior teams and made it a 4 quarter game or beat them.
When Saban is gone, it is not likely AU will have a coach that has already surpassed bama and is beginning a decade of SEC dominance. It could happen, but when Bear retired, a LOT if not the majority of bama's failures were due to Dye's greatness. It is hard for both teams to be on top at the same time (though not impossible - both were good in the 80's).
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:02 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I doubt many would disagree about Dye. He was after all iron sharpened by iron.
I can see your point about Dye's impact on Bama btw.
I can see your point about Dye's impact on Bama btw.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:03 pm to m2pro
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Bryant didn't leave talent? Hmmm. Well, that only helps the next coach transition. And I think Perkins did fine except for the ole Auburn game. Or so I've been told lots.
Bryant left a frickload of talent. Bama was still pretty good in the 80's, just not great.
Perkins did well against AU although two of his wins were gifts. 1984, Bo got the wrong play call in the huddle and Robert motherfricking 4 -eyes McGinty missed 3 second half field goals, two of them chip shots and two in the 4th quarter (one like a 28 yarder) that would have won the game. Then Perkins benefited from Van Tiffen in 1985 and his miracle 52 yarder after Shula hit a long pass with only a few seconds left to get in fg range. Perkins should have been 0-4 against AU, but he ended up 2-2. He was a decent coach, but nothing special.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:06 pm to m2pro
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I doubt many would disagree about Dye. He was after all iron sharpened by iron.
I can see your point about Dye's impact on Bama btw.
Dye learned under Bear. Dye was one mean nasty driven a-hole when he arrived at AU and he owes that to his own personal drive plus what he learned and took from Bryant.
If AU had not hired Dye and Dye had not gotten Bo Jackson, things would have been a lot different in the 1980's for sure. Hell, they would be different to this day I suspect.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:59 pm to m2pro
bama board.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:51 pm to m2pro
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Couldn't agree more in terms of being realistic. It all depends on the mental disposition of the next guy to withstand AMPLE pressure. Well, that AND being a hell of a replacement coach.
Yeah you're right, and you just might find the right guy. We ALMOST have the right guy to go head-to-head with Saban and his Bama machine. Honestly, I don't know who would do any better than Miles has. Even though we get frustrated with him, who else would have LSU right there within a few plays of back-to-back national titles (except for the beatdown on 1/9 of course)?
You need someone who is his own man, who won't listen to the criticism and second guessing, who has a plan, who can recruit like crazy, and who can hire top notch assistants and stay positive all the time. You don't need a hot shot innovator or even a disciple of Saban. That is why I worry about Kirby Smart being the successor. No matter how well he is groomed in Saban's ways, he isn't Saban. He might be successful, (ala Muschamp and Fisher), but I wonder if it would work at Alabama?
Time will tell. But, you guys have it rolling now, that's for sure.
Posted on 2/2/13 at 2:07 am to AlaTiger
Whoever takes the job after Saban leaves will be nothing more than a sacrificial lamb. There's no way anyone's going to follow Saban to anyone's satisfaction. I am prepared for a massive fall off and everyone else should be too.
This post was edited on 2/2/13 at 2:08 am
Posted on 2/2/13 at 2:09 am to thefloydian
And yeah, I think Miles doesn't get any credit for being a great coach. He's a goofy dude, but the amount of hate he gets from his own fanbase is kind of ridiculous.
Posted on 2/2/13 at 2:59 am to m2pro
The only thing Perkins did was beat Auburn. That was the problem
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