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SummerOfGeorge
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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My god. I am approaching dehydration from all the ejaculation.



Simmer boy you just got a case of the vapers


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MizzouTrue
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
Also, OU was always a better program than Tennessee. By decade

1950s: OU
1960s: Even
1970s: OU by a mile
1980s: OU
1990s UT by a mile
2000s: OU
2010s: OU by a mile


SummerOfGeorge
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
Absolutely - no doubt about that


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WorkinDawg
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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There was always that path for Oklahoma (specifically in Texas + in-state), and there is definitely that path for Tennessee (in-state + Georgia/Florida/Carolinas).


You are correct, that is UT's path...but UT picked a HORRIBLE time to cycle down and make a bad hire. UT can't win without Georgia recruits. You've got Clemson recruiting Ga the way UT used to. Bama was never a recruiting factor in Ga, but they sure as hell are now. UGA is a top 4-5 program. And the Cocks recruit Ga really well. And AU always recruits Ga.

Clemson and USC own the Carolina's followed by UGA. Lately UGA is pulling the best players from Tenn instead of the other way around. The UT job is simply more difficult now than it has ever been. They'll improve for sure, but its gonna be a tough row to hoe.




Serraneaux
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
The bEAST of the EAST has been awoken!!! VOLS finna EAT imo.


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VFL1800FPD
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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Many people are shortsighted. They will look at a team that is down and not be able to envision them winning, until they win. Then they will act like it was no big deal because they are also shortsighted in hindsight.


This is so true

So many people out there "know" Tennessee will never be elite again. In reality, no one has any idea


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MizzouTrue
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
Tennessee could certainly come back. There’s no reason they can’t, they have support, history, good region, funding, and facilities

But OU was used to recruiting Texas successfully even when Texas was strong. I’m not sure if Tennessee can win enough recruiting battles in Georgia/Carolina when Clemson and UGA are such powerhouses


WorkinDawg
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But OU was used to recruiting Texas successfully even when Texas was strong. I’m not sure if Tennessee can win enough recruiting battles in Georgia/Carolina when Clemson and UGA are such powerhouses


And to add to the horrible timing- should Pruitt turn things around, which I think he will, he'll end up at Bama. If he fails UT is in the wilderness for another cycle. They are in a tough spot.


Serraneaux
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
I said this same thing about LSU in 1999, after the 90s decade saw LSU go:

5-6
5-6
2-9
5-6
4-7
7-4-1
10-2
9-3
4-7
3-8

54-58-1
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Hook Em Horns
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
Are you trying to say Jeremy Pruitt is gonna turn Tennessee into Bob stoop's Oklahoma teams?


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WorkinDawg
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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I said this same thing about LSU in 1999, after the 90s decade saw LSU go:



That's an interesting point. Can remember conventional wisdom being that LA high schools were so bad LSU would never compete again.

One big difference is LSU can win with in-state talent. That makes any rebuild 100x easier.


fibonaccisquared
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Dream scenario for me, even if that means Tennessee becoming respectable again.


Alabama using UT as an incubator for Saban's future successor would throw TSIO into a whole new level of hatred.


MillerLiteTime
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
These people saying UT will never come back are idiots and probably very young. UT is as close to a blue blood as the SEC has outside of Alabama with all the facilities, fan base, and recruiting base required to win national titles. Is UT loaded with in state talent? No, but neither is Alabama/Auburn. Knoxville is within a 2-4 hour drive of the Carolinas, Atlanta, and Birmingham though. UT continues to recruit top 15-20 type classes despite being awful on the field, which should tell you a lot about how well they can recruit if they started winning again. The right coach at any Big 6 program can win titles.


MillerLiteTime
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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Yea I think Tennessee is kind of it’s own animal though. Nebraska cut themselves off from their most important recruiting grounds in Texas and Missouri so they may NEVER come back. TN is a decent coach away from top 2 east team regularly.



Nebraska is the only blue blood program that I deep down don't think will ever consistently be a powerhouse program again. Lincoln not only has no in state talent, it is surrounded for miles by states with no talent. And there is nothing about Nebraska to draw a kid from California or Texas up there that the home region can't offer even better. Horrible weather, boring schedule, etc. A recruit today probably can't even name a famous NFL player from Nebraska. Suh? Their new ceiling is somewhere around what Wisconsin has done the last decade. Tennessee has the whole deep south they can recruit from.


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madmaxvol
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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I said this same thing about LSU in 1999, after the 90s decade saw LSU go:


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That's an interesting point. Can remember conventional wisdom being that LA high schools were so bad LSU would never compete again.

One big difference is LSU can win with in-state talent. That makes any rebuild 100x easier.



I remember the mantra was "Louisiana high schools are still running the single-wing offense" as to why LSU couldn't win in the 90's.



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MillerLiteTime
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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And to add to the horrible timing- should Pruitt turn things around, which I think he will, he'll end up at Bama.


Disagree. If he does well at UT he will be in the same situation as Dabo. A complete legend at a program he built from the ground floor. Why leave that to follow a legend where anything short of playoff berths will have you on the hot seat? Alabama is going to end up hiring an assistant, mid major HC, or someone like Muschamp to follow Saban, just like OU and Ohio State had to do after losing title winning coaches. Literally no big name coaches at solid programs leave for better jobs anymore.


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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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Alabama using UT as an incubator for Saban's future successor would throw TSIO into a whole new level of hatred.


Tennessee has exchanged coaches with both Alabama and Florida on more than one occasion. It's not a new thing at all for us.

That said, if Pruitt proved to be good enough to get the Alabama job, I'm still not sure he'd really want it. You couldn't pay me to follow Saban. However, if he did take it that would mean we'd be in a great position to hire someone with good credentials and possibly UT ties.


SummerOfGeorge
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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Disagree. If he does well at UT he will be in the same situation as Dabo. A complete legend at a program he built from the ground floor. Why leave that to follow a legend where anything short of playoff berths will have you on the hot seat? Alabama is going to end up hiring an assistant, mid major HC, or someone like Muschamp to follow Saban, just like OU and Ohio State had to do after losing title winning coaches. Literally no big name coaches at solid programs leave for better jobs anymore.



I think there is a pretty big difference in getting Tennessee pretty good again and Dabo literally taking Clemson to a place the program has never been and winning 2 national titles.

Also, Dabo loves Alabama, but he hasn't been there since the DuBose era. Pruitt was there as a player under Stallings and as a player personnel guy and coach under Saban. I could be wrong but I think that Pruitt would absolutely love to go back there. He also doesn't strike me as the "I dunno I'm not sure I want to follow Saban" type.

But, you never know, a lot depends on how much longer Saban is around and what Pruitt accomplishes.
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fibonaccisquared
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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Tennessee has exchanged coaches with both Alabama and Florida on more than one occasion. It's not a new thing at all for us.


Difference between exchanging coaches, and a coach possibly pulling your team out of your worst funk (at least in modern history) and leaving and going to Bama. In this hypothetical scenario, for Bama to target Pruitt, we're talking about a pretty remarkable conversion happening in Knoxville relative to the last decade or so.

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That said, if Pruitt proved to be good enough to get the Alabama job, I'm still not sure he'd really want it. You couldn't pay me to follow Saban. However, if he did take it that would mean we'd be in a great position to hire someone with good credentials and possibly UT ties.


This I agree with though... I'm not sure anyone would be willing to leave a really good situation and go take the job behind Saban. I mean, we could all be shocked, but just feels like the bar for expectations will be so high that not many are going to want to go bite that off.


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VFL1800FPD
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re: Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
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He also doesn't strike me as the "I dunno I'm not sure I want to follow Saban" type


I get that vibe as well. I would bet he would embrace the challenge.


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