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Interesting Program Comparison : Oklahoma 1990s vs Tennessee 2010s
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:23 am
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:23 am
I saw Stewart Mandel make this comparison and it's a pretty good one. Both are historical powers. Both historically recruit well, but both rely on recruiting outside of their own state more so than some other historical powers. And both had a decadeish long period where they looked like they might be done forever with no hope of recovery.
Oklahoma (1989-1998) (10 seasons) (Post Switzer/Pre Stoops)
- 3 coaches (Gibbs 6 yrs, Schnellenberger 1 yr, Blake 3 yrs)
- Overall : 61-50-3 (54.8%)
- Conference (B8/B12) : 36-35-2 (50.7%)
- 3-15-1 vs Texas/Nebraska
- 0 Top 5 finishes
- 0 Top 10 finishes
- 0 Top 15 finishes
- 3 Top 25 finishes
- 0 Major Bowls
- 3 Bowl Games
- 6 of 10 (60%) seasons of 6 or less wins
- 3 of 10 (30%) losing seasons
Tennessee (2009-2018) (10 seasons) (Post Fulmer)
- 3 coaches (Kiffin 1 yr, Dooley 3 yrs, Jones 5 yrs)
- Overall : 62-63 (49.6%)
- Conference : 25-55 (31.2%)
- 4-26 vs Alabama/Florida/Georgia
- 0 Top 5 finishes
- 0 Top 10 finishes
- 1 Top 15 finishes
- 2 Top 25 finishes
- 0 Major Bowls
- 5 Bowl Games
- 6 of 10 (60%) seasons of 6 or less wins
- 6 of 10 (60%) losing seasons
Oklahoma of course hired Bob Stoops, a defensive coordinator from a great program (Florida) in 1999, went 7-5 in Year 1 and from then on out the rest is history. Tennessee hired Jeremy Pruitt, a defensive coordinator from a great program (Alabama) in 2018, went 5-7 in year 1........
Interesting parallels
Oklahoma (1989-1998) (10 seasons) (Post Switzer/Pre Stoops)
- 3 coaches (Gibbs 6 yrs, Schnellenberger 1 yr, Blake 3 yrs)
- Overall : 61-50-3 (54.8%)
- Conference (B8/B12) : 36-35-2 (50.7%)
- 3-15-1 vs Texas/Nebraska
- 0 Top 5 finishes
- 0 Top 10 finishes
- 0 Top 15 finishes
- 3 Top 25 finishes
- 0 Major Bowls
- 3 Bowl Games
- 6 of 10 (60%) seasons of 6 or less wins
- 3 of 10 (30%) losing seasons
Tennessee (2009-2018) (10 seasons) (Post Fulmer)
- 3 coaches (Kiffin 1 yr, Dooley 3 yrs, Jones 5 yrs)
- Overall : 62-63 (49.6%)
- Conference : 25-55 (31.2%)
- 4-26 vs Alabama/Florida/Georgia
- 0 Top 5 finishes
- 0 Top 10 finishes
- 1 Top 15 finishes
- 2 Top 25 finishes
- 0 Major Bowls
- 5 Bowl Games
- 6 of 10 (60%) seasons of 6 or less wins
- 6 of 10 (60%) losing seasons
Oklahoma of course hired Bob Stoops, a defensive coordinator from a great program (Florida) in 1999, went 7-5 in Year 1 and from then on out the rest is history. Tennessee hired Jeremy Pruitt, a defensive coordinator from a great program (Alabama) in 2018, went 5-7 in year 1........
Interesting parallels
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 9:26 am
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
We wont get any love until we can manage to win. Whoever that may be with. Hopefully Pruitt. One unfortunate thing for us is the timing it will take pruitt to get us good again assuming he can and the time Saban will be wrapping his career up at Alabama will be close to each other and Bama will most likely be able to get him. Unless they went after Dabo.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:27 am to themicah85
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One unfortunate thing for us is the timing it will take pruitt to get us good again assuming he can and the time Saban will be wrapping his career up at Alabama will be close to each other and Bama will most likely be able to get him
Dream scenario for me, even if that means Tennessee becoming respectable again.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
As a Big 12 fan, I know that Colorado was also a “powerhouse” from the 90s, and OU finished 0-7-1 vs them in the 1990s
Their record vs NU,UT, and CU was a pitiful 3-22-2
Their record vs NU,UT, and CU was a pitiful 3-22-2
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:29 am to themicah85
I dont think Tennessee will ever reach its previous heights again.
But theyll get to an 8-9 win flatline with a 10 win season sprinkled in with four year veteran teams.
Theyll become the East spoiler. Beating Auburn was huge for that program.
But theyll get to an 8-9 win flatline with a 10 win season sprinkled in with four year veteran teams.
Theyll become the East spoiler. Beating Auburn was huge for that program.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:30 am to MizzouTrue
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As a Big 12 fan, I know that Colorado was also a “powerhouse” from the 90s, and OU finished 0-7-1 vs them in the 1990s
Their record vs NU,UT, and CU was a pitiful 3-22-2
I was more thinking of records vs historical rivals, but yes that further shows how non-elite Oklahoma was during that period. Even their "good" teams were never real threats and lost almost all their games vs really good teams (1991, 1993). Very, very similar to Tennessee's "good" teams under Butch Jones.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:31 am to GeauxTigerNation
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I dont think Tennessee will ever reach its previous heights again.
But theyll get to an 8-9 win flatline with a 10 win season sprinkled in with four year veteran teams.
I don't know if they will or not, but the point of this comparison that Mandel made was those exact same thoughts were floating around re: Oklahoma in 1997 too. A lot of times it just takes the right guy.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
SoG are you implying that the Sand Mountain Savior is finna lead VOLS out of the wilderness and into the land of Copenhagen and bologna?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:34 am to Robert Goulet
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SoG are you implying that the Sand Mountain Savior is finna lead VOLS out of the wilderness and into the land of Copenhagen and bologna?
In long cut do we trust.
Yes, he will, and then he shall return to the promised land. It has been written and it shall be done.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I dont think Tennessee will ever reach its previous heights again. But theyll get to an 8-9 win flatline with a 10 win season sprinkled in with four year veteran teams. I don't know if they will or not, but the point of this comparison that Mandel made was those exact same thoughts were floating around re: Oklahoma in 1997 too. A lot of times it just takes the right guy.
I agree with this, its completely possible. People always throw out that Tennessee is at a Major recruiting disadvantage. I know oklahoma recruits Texas very well as it is but if you get the right guy in there we can have a ton of success recruiting Georgia, the Carolinas, virginia and then pickup enough randoms ALA Henry To'too this year and supplement Tennessee's improving in state talent. If we can manage to hire the right guy and let him do his thing long enough to get it right to say its impossible is very short sighted. I remember West Virginia throttling Dabo led Clemson 70-33 not that terribly long ago and thinking Dabo wasnt that good or atleast not nearly as good as he apparently is. Im sure i wasnt the only one thinking that at that time.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
The Sooners dominated the Big 12 in 2000 like none other. A 1-1 comparison would be if Tennessee beats Georgia 63-14, beats Alabama 31-14, and sweeps LSU, that’s the type of shockwave the 2000 Sooners dealt
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 10:48 am
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
I wouldn’t say Tennessee is comparable to OU since OU has won a lot more consistently decade after decade. The 90s was the only decade they haven’t been dominant in all time. Tennessee is more comparable to Nebraska in that respect.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
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In long cut do we trust. Yes, he will, and then he shall return to the promised land. It has been written and it shall be done.
Gonna be hilarious when Big Germ becomes a hot commodity as a head coach and burns Knoxville to the ground, puts VOLS on crippling probation, and scoots out of town towards Tuscaloosa in his F-150 Platinum—Bass Tracker in tow, smiling as the plumes of smoke grow larger in his extended side mirror.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:47 am to Boomer00
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I wouldn’t say Tennessee is comparable to OU since OU has won a lot more consistently decade after decade. The 90s was the only decade they haven’t been dominant in all time. Tennessee is more comparable to Nebraska in that respect.
It's not really all-time, it's more of the specific point in time and whether that team was "gone" and how things can change.
Agree, Oklahoma is clearly better pre-1990s than Tennessee was pre-2010, and Nebraska is another good comparison. I just found it interesting because of how many parallels there were.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:49 am to Robert Goulet
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Gonna be hilarious when Big Germ becomes a hot commodity as a head coach and burns Knoxville to the ground, puts VOLS on crippling probation, and scoots out of town towards Tuscaloosa in his F-150 Platinum—Bass Tracker in tow, smiling as the plumes of smoke grow larger in his extended side mirror.
Old baw is gonna get the Vol ship righted into hard nosed, grit n grind, slobber knocker, goon wranglin football, tip his cap then head to Tuscaloosa.
Then Tennessee will hire Peyton Manning.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:50 am to MizzouTrue
Many people are shortsighted. They will look at a team that is down and not be able to envision them winning, until they win. Then they will act like it was no big deal because they are also shortsighted in hindsight.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yea I think Tennessee is kind of it’s own animal though. Nebraska cut themselves off from their most important recruiting grounds in Texas and Missouri so they may NEVER come back. TN is a decent coach away from top 2 east team regularly.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:52 am to Boomer00
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Yea I think Tennessee is kind of it’s own animal though. Nebraska cut themselves off from their most important recruiting grounds in Texas and Missouri so they may NEVER come back. TN is a decent coach away from top 2 east team regularly.
Right - that's the biggest Nebraska difference. I'm not sure there is a path (outside of winning first) that they become a great recruiting program again.
There was always that path for Oklahoma (specifically in Texas + in-state), and there is definitely that path for Tennessee (in-state + Georgia/Florida/Carolinas).
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/14/19 at 10:00 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Then Tennessee will hire Peyton Manning.
My god. I am approaching dehydration from all the ejaculation.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 10:01 am to Robert Goulet
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