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Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:51 am
placed the ball near the goal line for Alabama, after the ball was stripped and rolled out of the endzone for an apparent touchback?
I played an event last evening and was on the way there, listening to the radio, and so I didn't see it.
I get that there was a penalty that nullified the strip, but why did Alabama get the ball near the endzone, rather than back at the line of scrimmage, plus the penalty yards?
I played an event last evening and was on the way there, listening to the radio, and so I didn't see it.
I get that there was a penalty that nullified the strip, but why did Alabama get the ball near the endzone, rather than back at the line of scrimmage, plus the penalty yards?
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:53 am to Huddie Leadbetter
They assessed it wrong. Should have been 15 yards from the previous spot.
They also messed up the defensive holding call a few plays later. They replayed 3rd down when it should have been an automatic first.
Marc Curles sucks.
They also messed up the defensive holding call a few plays later. They replayed 3rd down when it should have been an automatic first.
Marc Curles sucks.
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:54 am to bamawriter
Thanks. And I know the refs, especially SEC refs, make mistakes plenty of times. Lord I do know this. Still, that is a huge mistake.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:27 am to bamawriter
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They assessed it wrong. Should have been 15 yards from the previous spot.
You got anything that can back up your statement? Link to the rulebook page for that or is there an article today stating that?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:29 am to spacewrangler
PENALTY –
Personal foul. 15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules. Penalties for Team A live-ball personal fouls behind the neutral zone are enforced from the previous spot. Safety if the live-ball foul occurs behind Team A’s goal line. [S7, S24, S25, S34, S38, S39, S40, S41, S45 or S46]. Flagrant offenders shall be disqualified [S47].
For Team A fouls during free or scrimmage kick plays: Enforcement may be either at the previous spot or the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B (field goal plays exempted) (Rules 6-1-8 and 6-3-13).
For Team B personal fouls during a legal forward pass play (Rules 7-3-12 and 10-2-2-e): Enforcement is at the end of the last run when it ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of team possession during the down. If the pass is incomplete or intercepted, or if there is a change of team possession during the down, the penalty is enforced at the previous spot.
Personal foul. 15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules. Penalties for Team A live-ball personal fouls behind the neutral zone are enforced from the previous spot. Safety if the live-ball foul occurs behind Team A’s goal line. [S7, S24, S25, S34, S38, S39, S40, S41, S45 or S46]. Flagrant offenders shall be disqualified [S47].
For Team A fouls during free or scrimmage kick plays: Enforcement may be either at the previous spot or the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B (field goal plays exempted) (Rules 6-1-8 and 6-3-13).
For Team B personal fouls during a legal forward pass play (Rules 7-3-12 and 10-2-2-e): Enforcement is at the end of the last run when it ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of team possession during the down. If the pass is incomplete or intercepted, or if there is a change of team possession during the down, the penalty is enforced at the previous spot.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:32 am to bamawriter
Here you go from the SEC today. I'll take the actual professionals take over some random fan on here.
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SEC explains why Alabama got ball at goal line after fumble, penalty
Posted on October 21, 2017 at 8:27 PM
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By Michael Casagrande mcasagrande@al.com
A unique moment required an interesting call in the first half of Alabama's 45-7 win over Tennessee.
It left everyone a bit confused, but the SEC issued a statement to AL.com to explain what happened when a fumble and penalty collided.
The play involved a 34-yard pass to Irv Smith Jr., that ended with a fumble into the end zone for an apparent touchback.
But wait, there was a flag.
Jonathan Kongbo was penalized for illegal hands to the face while rushing Jalen Hurts. That negated the turnover, but where does Alabama get the ball?
There was confusion in the press box and Tennessee coach Butch Jones didn't seem pleased to see Alabama get the ball at the 1-yard line.
The SEC responded to a request for clarification as to why Alabama got the ball where it did.
"The personal foul by the defense is added to the end of the last run if the run ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of possession during the down," the statement read. "There was no change of possession during the down as the ball was fumbled through the end zone. The ball would have belonged to the defense as a touchback without the foul - but there was no change of possession during the down."
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By Michael Casagrande mcasagrande@al.com
A unique moment required an interesting call in the first half of Alabama's 45-7 win over Tennessee.
It left everyone a bit confused, but the SEC issued a statement to AL.com to explain what happened when a fumble and penalty collided.
The play involved a 34-yard pass to Irv Smith Jr., that ended with a fumble into the end zone for an apparent touchback.
But wait, there was a flag.
Jonathan Kongbo was penalized for illegal hands to the face while rushing Jalen Hurts. That negated the turnover, but where does Alabama get the ball?
There was confusion in the press box and Tennessee coach Butch Jones didn't seem pleased to see Alabama get the ball at the 1-yard line.
The SEC responded to a request for clarification as to why Alabama got the ball where it did.
"The personal foul by the defense is added to the end of the last run if the run ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of possession during the down," the statement read. "There was no change of possession during the down as the ball was fumbled through the end zone. The ball would have belonged to the defense as a touchback without the foul - but there was no change of possession during the down."
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:33 am to bamawriter
Sorry, you are wrong. There was no change of possession during the down.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:35 am to spacewrangler
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but there was no change of possession during the down."
I don’t agree with that assessment.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:35 am to spacewrangler
I don't know, that seems like hair splitting.
I mean, I don't care either way. If that's the rule that's the rule.
I mean, I don't care either way. If that's the rule that's the rule.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:37 am to bamawriter
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by bamawriter
I don't know
That's all that you needed to say.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:38 am to spacewrangler
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Sorry, you are wrong. There was no change of possession during the down.
The down did not end until the ball went out of the end zone. Fumbling it through the end zone has the same result as fumbling it into the end zone and UT recovering it. Touchback.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:38 am to spacewrangler
You are really confrontational this morning.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:41 am to BOSCEAUX
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I don’t agree with that assessment.
Off course you don't, but fortunately the actual people that make the decisions don't have a biassed opinion.
No Tenn players during the down gained possession of the ball. If they had then the foul would have been asseed from the original LOSS and not from where the runner lost the ball in the field of play before it went into and through the end zone.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:42 am to BOSCEAUX
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The down did not end until the ball went out of the end zone. Fumbling it through the end zone has the same result as fumbling it into the end zone and UT recovering it. Touchback.
Except that when you fumble through the end zone, the possession does not change while the ball is live, but AFTER the play is whistled dead.
Curles actually got this one right.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:46 am to spacewrangler
I don’t have a biased position. It’s not like that call would have changed the outcome of the game. IMO a change of possession occurred. If UT would have recovered in the end zone instead of it going out of the end zone even though both outcomes result in it being UTs ball (change of possession) at the 25 then the penalty would have been marched off from the LOS. Like I said I don’t agree with their interpretation.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:49 am to BOSCEAUX
The people who do it for a living disagree with you.
The enforcement of the penalty was correct.
You can cry about the actual penalty being called. Is the neck considered "the face" by letter of the rule? If not, it probably should, but is it? That I don't know.
The enforcement of the penalty was correct.
You can cry about the actual penalty being called. Is the neck considered "the face" by letter of the rule? If not, it probably should, but is it? That I don't know.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:50 am to Evolved Simian
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Except that when you fumble through the end zone, the possession does not change while the ball is live, but AFTER the play is whistled dead.
It’s a sloppily written rule. I get what you’re saying but once the whistle blows the outcomes are the same, change of possession. What if their was a fight for the fumble in the end zone and possession wasn’t determined until after the play was over via review? Like I said sloppily written.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:53 am to Tiguar
I’m not crying about it. I enjoy discussing oddball rules like this and putting it through the paces to see if it could hold up in court so to say. This one needs tweaked. It feels like the team that committed the infraction is being penalized twice.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:55 am to bamawriter
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They also messed up the defensive holding call a few plays later. They replayed 3rd down when it should have been an automatic first.
I believe that you are wrong on that as well. I've read that it is only an Automatic 1st down on a pass play, Hurts never threw the ball on that play so it is not an auto 1st down but a 5yard penalty and in this case 1/2 the distance and replay the down.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:01 am to Huddie Leadbetter
I think they'll have to tweak the rulebook after that one for some clarification.
I don't think there would have been any change in the eventual result.
I don't think there would have been any change in the eventual result.
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