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if your body is in bounds, can you advance the ball forward while it's out of bounds?
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:49 am
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:49 am
i'm talking about the brock bowers review. We know that you can't score a touchdown by advancing the football forward out of bounds while your body is in bounds. it must break the plane of the actual endzone.
by the reversal of the bowers call it appears they allowed bowers to advance the ball forward even though the ball was out of bounds but he was not.
does anyone know what the rule is? i've never seen them spot the ball on the field like they did for Georgia, but i could be wrong.
by the reversal of the bowers call it appears they allowed bowers to advance the ball forward even though the ball was out of bounds but he was not.
does anyone know what the rule is? i've never seen them spot the ball on the field like they did for Georgia, but i could be wrong.
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:50 am to stephendomalley
The ball was inbounds when he stretched it over
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:51 am to stephendomalley
Pay attention
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:52 am to stephendomalley
Idk
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:53 am to stephendomalley
As I understand it, the sideline is not considered a "plane" in the same manner as the goal line. What matters is the location of the ball at the moment the player is ruled out of bounds. At least as I've always understood it.
Which is different than the goal line, because the ball must be inside the pylon then. And it is confusing. I could be wrong as well. That's just how I've always seen it done.
Which is different than the goal line, because the ball must be inside the pylon then. And it is confusing. I could be wrong as well. That's just how I've always seen it done.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:54 am to stephendomalley
While crossing the plane of the goal line is a TD, crossing the plane of being out of bounds does not make the ball out of bounds. You can run down the sideline 99 yards with the ball stretched over the out of bounds marker the entire way until the end zone and you're good.
Heck if you're in the endzone and then bring the ball in bounds... it's immediately a TD. The play isn't dead until you touch the ground out of bounds.
Heck if you're in the endzone and then bring the ball in bounds... it's immediately a TD. The play isn't dead until you touch the ground out of bounds.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:56 am to ScoggDog
The ball is marked out where the ball crosses the out of bounds plane
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 7:57 am
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:57 am to Atlbear16
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The ball is marked out where the ball crosses the out bounds plane
That is absolutely NOT how I've ever seen it done. Ever.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:57 am to ScoggDog
I believe Scogg is correct. Consider a WR running down the sideline with the ball in his outside hand or making a sideline tiptoe catch. I’ve never seen a play called dead while the runner’s feet are both in bounds.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:58 am to ScoggDog
It has to be the case, you can’t diagonally jump out of bounds and expect the ball to be placed where you land out of bounds
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:59 am to Atlbear16
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It has to be the case, you can’t diagonally jump out of bounds and expect the ball to be placed where you land out of bounds
I don't think you're right
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:00 am to DawginSC
If you diagonally jump out of bounds, throw it backwards 5 yards on the sideline (mid air)…. Where is the spot?
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:02 am to Atlbear16
You’re both correct. Except that it requires the play to end out of bounds.
You can hang the ball over the sideline at the 35, then run to the middle of the field and get tackled at the 45, and the ball will be spotted at the 45.
You can hang the ball over the sideline at the 35, then run to the middle of the field and get tackled at the 45, and the ball will be spotted at the 45.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:03 am to Atlbear16
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If you diagonally jump out of bounds, throw it backwards 5 yards on the sideline…. Where is the spot?
No idea. But if you run down the sideline with the ball stretched out of bounds the whole way and eventually get pushed out, they're going to spot the ball where you were pushed out, not where the plane was broken way back down the sideline.
In your example I'm guessing it's the place further back of where your body lands and where the ball lands. They aren't going to let you advance the ball by tossing it up the field out of bounds, but once the ball leaves your hand I'm guessing the ball landing spot would be key.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:03 am to Atlbear16
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It has to be the case, you can’t diagonally jump out of bounds and expect the ball to be placed where you land out of bounds
That's a play you never see. What you do see, constantly, is a man in motion ... sometimes diagonally ... sometimes getting hit or jumping a little bit ... and always, the ball is marked at it's relative point at the moment the ball carrier touches out of bounds.
And in none of those cases are we talking about a player getting broad-jump levels of advantage. That play just never occurs in football.
It seems you're trying to imagine a play where a ball carrier jumps three yards diagonally or something. Never seen that play happen. What you do see, all the time, is a guy going mostly sideways, landing within half a body length out of bounds, and the ball being spotted at it's relative point - North and South - where the player touched OOB.
If what you describe becomes routine - maybe they would change the rule as practiced. But I've never seen the play you're trying to describe. It just doesn't happen.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:04 am to DawginSC
You aren’t out of bounds when you dangle the ball over the plane of the boundary. That is not a valid example
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:04 am to stephendomalley
The ball was inbounds when it went past the line to gain.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:05 am to Atlbear16
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If you diagonally jump out of bounds, throw it backwards 5 yards on the sideline (mid air)…. Where is the spot?
I know this - that ball is still live until either it hits OOB, or the player touching it is OOB. Because you can absolutely slap a live ball back into the field of play. Seen that happen on a fumble, more than once.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:05 am to ScoggDog
There’s a reason why you see QBs stretch the ball over in the field of play before they run out of bounds
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 8:06 am
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:07 am to Atlbear16
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You aren’t out of bounds when you dangle the ball over the plane of the boundary. That is not a valid example
Neither is the ball carrier, just because a part of his body breaks the plane of the sideline. He isn't out, and the play isn't dead, until he touches OOB.
You just killed your own argument, sport.
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