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Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:35 am to austingator
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:35 am to austingator
The more the SEC expands, the more we dilute our brand. Florida State's problem is that they should have come to the SEC when they had the chance. They took the easier route and went to the ACC. They ACC hoped that a dominating presence would bring up the level of competition from their other horrible teams, but it didn't. Florida State peaked out and begin a slow, painful decline to the level of its counter-parts.
If the SEC were to add FSU, they would also want to add Va. Tech. If this were to happen, the outcome would be self destruction. By adding these two teams we are only hurting ourselves. The overall level of interest and competition from this two programs would rise instantly. That means with a daunting SEC schedule, every team is possibly looking at 2 losses a season, only creating problems for any team reaching the title game if we stay in the BCS current system.
If the SEC were to add FSU, they would also want to add Va. Tech. If this were to happen, the outcome would be self destruction. By adding these two teams we are only hurting ourselves. The overall level of interest and competition from this two programs would rise instantly. That means with a daunting SEC schedule, every team is possibly looking at 2 losses a season, only creating problems for any team reaching the title game if we stay in the BCS current system.
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Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:35 am to cokebottleag
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And UNC/Duke run that conference. No way they are leaving as long as they have 10+.
This presumes that only two schools leaving will not destabilize the ACC entirely. I personally don't think it will since the ACC can easily grab UConn and one other to get back to 14.
But we also saw how the departure of only two schools in the Big 12 caused all the unresolved anger and butthurt to spill out uncontrollably with everyone else looking to save themselves or (in Baylor's case) look for legalities which could be used as a convenient monkey wrench.
And FSU people are making many of the same arguments--mainly that conference power is concentrated in the "Carolina Mafia" to the detriment of the other members--that A&M people were making about the Big 12 and its Austin-centric nature.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:36 am to Wishnitwas1998
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I was meaning in comparison to Texas, which obviously Missouri is not as big as
Well seeing as Texas is the second most populated state in the country, you could say the same thing about the rest of the SEC...
This post was edited on 5/15/12 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:38 am to MontyFranklyn
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only creating problems for any team reaching the title game if we stay in the BCS current system.
Which is why this system will die if super conferences emerge.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:40 am to BreakawayZou83
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Which is why this system will die if super conferences emerge.
Ok, well give me four conferences with 16 teams. Name each team in each conference.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:45 am to MontyFranklyn
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Ok, well give me four conferences with 16 teams. Name each team in each conference.
OK:
SEC--current roster plus VT and NCST
B1G--current roster plus UVA, UNC, Duke, MD
Big 12--current roster plus FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, Louisville, and either Pitt or Cincy (or both of the latter and drop off Miami)
PAC--current roster (geographically may have problems expanding but if you insist add SDSU, Boise, Nevada, New Mexico)
This post was edited on 5/15/12 at 9:46 am
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:45 am to MontyFranklyn
Well based on what's happening now, I suppose you would have the PAC-16, B1G, SEC and Big 12 oddly enough.
The B1G, SEC, and Big 12 could scoop of the gems left in the ACC to get to 16, with some plundering in the depleted Big East.
The Pac 12 will have more of a challenge if the Big 12 were to survive, due to its geographic isolation from available quality athletic programs. BYU would make sense, but I don't know who else, maybe Boise State? Then it would still need two more...
The B1G, SEC, and Big 12 could scoop of the gems left in the ACC to get to 16, with some plundering in the depleted Big East.
The Pac 12 will have more of a challenge if the Big 12 were to survive, due to its geographic isolation from available quality athletic programs. BYU would make sense, but I don't know who else, maybe Boise State? Then it would still need two more...
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:47 am to Quidam65
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SDSU
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Nevada
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New Mexico
I think there is literally no way in hell the PAC would add those schools. BYU and Colorado State would get invited before those you mentioned.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:48 am to BreakawayZou83
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BYU would make sense, but I don't know who else, maybe Boise State? Then it would still need two more...
The PAC will never take BYU. They have few options to add eyeballs. Boise and Nevada are probable, then maybe SDSU and I'll throw in New Mexico (only because academically they do a ton of research into nuclear stuff and that brings in lots of $$$ for that side of the house, which university presidents love more than sports).
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:52 am to BreakawayZou83
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I think there is literally no way in hell the PAC would add those schools.
You're probably right but they don't have many real options as they've got all the populated states covered. UNLV to get the Vegas market, maybe? Wyoming to add another state they don't have? New Mexico adds nothing sports wise (though you do need a patsy on the schedule) but if the PAC has any sort of version of the B1G's CIC academic consortium, they do tons of nuclear research which brings in lots of $$$ for that side of the house).
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:58 am to Quidam65
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SEC--current roster plus VT and NCST
B1G--current roster plus UVA, UNC, Duke, MD
Big 12--current roster plus FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, Louisville, and either Pitt or Cincy (or both of the latter and drop off Miami)
PAC--current roster (geographically may have problems expanding but if you insist add SDSU, Boise, Nevada, New Mexico)
Whoa! Where do I begin? Ok, I can't see the ACC dissolving like that. If anything, the Big 12 would dissolve. Secondly, the Pac 12 wouldn't touch any of the schools you named. Of all the major six conferences, the PAC 12 is probably the most academically prestigious. Lastly, in this scenario ND would have no choice but to join a conference and that conference would be the ACC.
The way i see it is:
SEC adds VT and NCST
ACC adds UCONN, ND, Rutgers, USF
PAC adds Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas Tech
This is where the problem comes in, the B1G has no one to add to get to 16. They aren't going to take Louisville, Cincy or West Virginia. They may be forced to though. Just my opinion, who knows how these things will play out.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:03 am to Quidam65
If FSU joins teh big 12 it could start off a bizarre chain reaction. Let's say FSU joins the big 12 they would need maybe another Eastern team so Miami jumps to the big 12 with them. The ACC would be fine if only those two left.
I actually think that UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, and Virginia, GA Tech and Clemson are committed to enough to the ACC that it survives even if schools like Va Tech leave.
Now the wild card is Maryland. If it leaves for the big ten then anything could happen. You figure that the big ten would love to add Maryland and Virginia.
I actually think that UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, and Virginia, GA Tech and Clemson are committed to enough to the ACC that it survives even if schools like Va Tech leave.
Now the wild card is Maryland. If it leaves for the big ten then anything could happen. You figure that the big ten would love to add Maryland and Virginia.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:05 am to austingator
Dude, how exactly (with the talent Jimbo is "hauling") is FSU going to come up with 10 wins on a SEC schedule, when they can't even win the ACC??????
Because they were stuck in mediocrity at the end of the Bowden era they are consigned to mediocrity forever? Dead solid analysis there. I'm still waiting for Alabama to pull itself out of the mire from the Dubose-to-Shula years...
Because they were stuck in mediocrity at the end of the Bowden era they are consigned to mediocrity forever? Dead solid analysis there. I'm still waiting for Alabama to pull itself out of the mire from the Dubose-to-Shula years...
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:08 am to BreakawayZou83
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Well seeing as Texas is the second most populated state in the country, you could say the same thing about the rest of the SEC...
Yes but the discussion is about the virtue of ADDING someone and since all those states were already in the SEC that doesn't matter.
I know it's unrealistic expectations but I was hoping our conference would add one school that made sense financially (TAMU) and another that made sense as being an SEC school (FSU). I'm sorry but Missouri should not be an SEC school and does not fit in
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:13 am to Wishnitwas1998
I know it's unrealistic expectations but I was hoping our conference would add one school that made sense financially (TAMU) and another that made sense as being an SEC school (FSU). I'm sorry but Missouri should not be an SEC school and does not fit in
This is my feeling as well. I don't want to lose our identity as "southern" football.
This is my feeling as well. I don't want to lose our identity as "southern" football.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:30 am to NWLATigerFan12
If there was some way I would want the SEC to grab up UVA and UNC, imo that would be the best combo to reach 16.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:32 am to Wishnitwas1998
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I'm sorry but Missouri should not be an SEC school and does not fit in
Awesome rationale. GFY.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:38 am to GalvoAg
UGA, Bama, AU, LSU, fSU, Texas, OU, USCw, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida, and Nebraska should all just bail and create a NFL minor league conference.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:43 am to BreakawayZou83
Why everyone wants UNC & UVa is a mystery. They are basketball schools that care only marginally about football. For those saying we should bring them in to increase our hoops profile, who the eff cares? Except for the MArch Madness tourney, college hoops s dead as a hammer. It's regular season TV ratings a re abysmal. The last 20 years of high-schoolers going direct to the pros or one-and-done have effectively killed off interest in college hoops as compared to 20-30 years ago.
Hell, you could argue that FSU's current problems could be tied to moving to a basketball-centric conference at the very point in time that college basketball was disappearing from the sports landscape. That's why Clemson & FSU make more sense joining from the ACC than UVa & UNC.
Hell, you could argue that FSU's current problems could be tied to moving to a basketball-centric conference at the very point in time that college basketball was disappearing from the sports landscape. That's why Clemson & FSU make more sense joining from the ACC than UVa & UNC.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 10:52 am to SoFla Tideroller
I just see both of those teams having the biggest upside. Also both teams have been making strides to improve their football programs. In terms of better schools is not even a competition, both kill their state counterparts.
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