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re: I was wrong about Coach O so was USCw

Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:44 am to
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8280 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:44 am to
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how do we know this Texas team is even truly a Top 20 team right now.


Before last Saturday night, I was one of those fans who said, "Texas beat UGa, because they were disappointed to be playing in the Sugar Bowl... yada yada yada." But after our game against them, I am convinced they would have beaten UGa five out of five times. Sam Ehlinger was that good. UT will contend for the Big 12 and a playoff spot.

Orgeron is undefeated against top ten opponents that are not the University of Alabama. With the amount of top ten opponents we have played during his tenure, that is an extremely impressive stat. He will win at LSU for a very long time. With how he has been recruiting, it will only get better.
Posted by NFLU
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2014
5770 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:45 am to
Lol.

Tigers, bitch.
Posted by Dennis4LSU
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2008
4481 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:46 am to
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Now do the same for the LSU Defense? When was the last time this very average Texas offense under Sam Ehlinger racked up 530 total yards during regulation in a game? Zero times. Literally. Since the beginning of the 2017 season, with Sam Ehlinger starting most every game, Texas played 28 opponents before LSU came to town and they never once were able to muster the yardage they were able to put up against LSU...... averaging just 398 total yards during regulation in those games. Then suddenly they rack up 530 total yards against LSU. Is that not at all concerning to Tiger fans? What will Tua do?
O came out and said after the game that all that was a concern, now LSU is still giving up that kind of yardage...Then we all will be concerned.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41081 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:52 am to
"Thank you Florida, you did us a favor. Ed Orgeron will never be hired as head coach now."

LSU fans on Nov 20, 2016
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:57 am to
He's making some great moves, no doubt. Some much needed moves. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out in the next year or two.
Posted by Herman Frisco
Bon Secour
Member since Sep 2008
17245 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:57 am to
Had GusBus used the Ed O model of coaching they would be giving Bama hell. O has enough sense to know that there are position coaches who know how to coach and gets out of there way. Bus doesn’t understand that concept.
O is building a program which will be hard to beat. Good for him.
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3213 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:01 pm to
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My guess is that LSU goes 10-2 this year... .with losses to Bama and at least one other team. I think 9-3 is certainly possible though.


I understand that you are a fan of another team, so probably have not watched every snap LSU has played this year. If you had, you’d have a better understanding just how good this team is.

The defense got embarrassed, but I doubt it happens again. Almost everyone on the defense will play on Sundays. We have better depth at every defensive position than we have ever had.

The offense has spoken for itself.

Our kick game is off the charts in every application.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118800 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:02 pm to
Meh, a Troy Landry wouldn't fly in Socal.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:14 pm to
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Before last Saturday night,


This is a case study in delusion. You had over two years to form an opinion about Sam Ehlinger, and despite years of mediocre to slightly above average QB play, NOW suddenly because of his performance against LSU, you realize he's actually an unbelievable QB and Texas is an unbelievable opponent.... Right.

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I was one of those fans who said, "Texas beat UGa, because they were disappointed to be playing in the Sugar Bowl... yada yada yada." But after our game against them, I am convinced they would have beaten UGa five out of five times.


So you're able to take snippets of certain games and transpose them onto other teams to judge the true strength of that team. Okay, fine. What did Georgia's handling of Alabama for just short of 4 quarters mean to you? You know the same Bama team that flattened LSU 29-0 in Baton Rouge. Or what about Georgia's 19-ponit victory over Florida last season.... the same Florida team that beat LSU?

So I take it those are not good comparisons to show how good Georgia was last year, but a bowl game that has no meaning is the perfect example. Do I have that right?

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Orgeron is undefeated against top ten opponents that are not the University of Alabama. With the amount of top ten opponents we have played during his tenure, that is an extremely impressive stat.


Fact: Against opponents that FINISHED in the AP Top 10, Orgeron is 2-4. There is zero evidence that Texas will finish the season this year in the Top 10, hence the fact they are currently NOT ranked in the Top 10.

Yes, I'll give Orgeron credit for winning some big games on occasion, but you're also leaving out the fact he lost to 4-loss Texas A&M last year, 4-loss Mississippi State the year prior (by 30 points!), to Troy in 2017, etc.

You have to take the good and the bad and weigh them together.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Lsualum2017
Member since Apr 2018
1979 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:20 pm to
If he didn’t fit at USC why do the players, coaches, and parents love him so much?
Posted by Toroballistic
Tallahassee
Member since Dec 2017
1891 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:21 pm to
That is because the only good team they play every year is Oklahoma and that game is in Dallas.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21664 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:27 pm to
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Yeah. You wouldn't want to jump the gun too early. That would be like adding Bama NCs for this season and the next one to an already ridiculous list.



As LSU fans know, Bama fans claim every football national championship we've been awarded - all 32 of them.

Hey LSU, got 32?
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8280 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:34 pm to
My point is Texas beat the piss out of UGa last year, and it was a legitimate win. If they played again, the same result would happen. And last Saturday night in Austin, Ed lead LSU to a win against a Texas team that is every bit as good as that team that you guys faced. Ed deserves credit for that, as well as for beating the piss out of UGa in Tiger Stadium. And because of the recruits that he has signed, and the ones that are currently committed, there is no sign of him letting up. Ed deserves credit for being a very good coach.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:34 pm to
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The defense got embarrassed, but I doubt it happens again.


See how this works? This is literally what LSU fans have been saying all week:

"The offense was incredible last week.... which means we'll be an offensive juggernaut for the foreseeable future!"

"The defense was embarrassed last week, but I doubt it ever happens again."

You beat Texas by a touchdown.

This is a Texas team that the statistical analytic sites were all pumping the breaks on before the season and still now.

Texas is ranked #24 by ESPN FPI
Texas is ranked #24 by SP+
Texas is ranked #42 by FEI

Sure, maybe all the statistical based rating systems are wrong. Maybe Texas is actually a Top 5 team and LSU just beat them in their own house.

Or maybe they are right, and this Texas team might barely eek out a spot in the Final AP Top 25 at the end of the year.... and if they are right, are we not overreacting just a bit to a 7-point victory over a team that might just be slightly above average?

This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:36 pm to
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My point is Texas beat the piss out of UGa last year, and it was a legitimate win. If they played again, the same result would happen.


So Georgia's losses last season to LSU and Texas were not flukes, and if they played again 5 times, they'd happen again just the same way all five times.

But LSU's loss to Florida last season was a complete fluke that would never happen again... same for the loss to Texas A&M... complete fluke, would never happen again in a million times if they played again.

Do I have this right?
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
17995 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:35 pm to
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He has had LSU in a steady upward trajectory, he stands back and lets his staff do their job, and he flags the deficiencies and fixes them. I think he is a great coach, who is humble and he knows how to run a big time program.


This is an honest evaluation based on facts.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18709 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:41 pm to
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I hate your state


If only we could turn down any future request to help out FL or more so, I wish I would have know this... then I know a lot of people that wouldn't have driven there to help clean up your sunshine state.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68421 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:43 pm to
O at Ole Miss and USC is completely different from O at LSU. He has said himself he learned from a lot of his mistakes at Ole Miss and it clearly made him a better coach.
Posted by Dissident Aggressor
Member since Aug 2011
3737 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:41 pm to
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With that said, Frick LSU. I hate your entire fanbase and your state.


Fuk you very much...
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10180 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

See how this works? This is literally what LSU fans have been saying all week:

"The offense was incredible last week.... which means we'll be an offensive juggernaut for the foreseeable future!"

"The defense was embarrassed last week, but I doubt it ever happens again."

You beat Texas by a touchdown.

This is a Texas team that the statistical analytic sites were all pumping the breaks on before the season and still now.

Texas is ranked #24 by ESPN FPI
Texas is ranked #24 by SP+
Texas is ranked #42 by FEI

Sure, maybe all the statistical based rating systems are wrong. Maybe Texas is actually a Top 5 team and LSU just beat them in their own house.

Or maybe they are right, and this Texas team might barely eek out a spot in the Final AP Top 25 at the end of the year.... and if they are right, are we not overreacting just a bit to a 7-point victory over a team that might just be slightly above average?


Here's a hot take... the LSU offense isn't quite as good as it looked, and the LSU defense isn't quite as bad as it looked.

The conditions favored both offenses. 100+ degrees all day with those black pellets in the turf just radiating at 140+. Using a baseball analogy, it was like two teams playing at Coors Field and everyone overreacting to the pitching being terrible and the hitting being awesome.

I remember Bama played @ TAMU in Sept 2013, it was hot as balls and the final score was 49-42. Saban said never again and got the 2015/2017/2019 trips to College Station moved to October.

A spread offense with a talented mobile QB in the heat, on the turf, is going to wear out any college defense.
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