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re: I ranked the SEC Head Football Coaches in this thread
Posted on 5/6/13 at 12:33 pm to Cjones14
Posted on 5/6/13 at 12:33 pm to Cjones14
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Miles has a National Championship Ring
We know. Everyone knows that already.
He can't hold up his ring forever and claim to be the second best coach in the conference though. He hasn't done much since 2007.
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 12:37 pm to Stonehog
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He can't hold up his ring forever and claim to be the second best coach in the conference though. He hasn't done much since 2007.
I certainly don't think Miles is as good as the Tiger fans make him out to be, but I think you know that this isn't true. His 2011 team was a lot better than his 2007 championship team.
ETA: oh and the OP has gone full ruhtard. I would take Miles and about half of the other coaches in the conference over Kevin Sumlin 10 times out of 10.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 12:43 pm to Stonehog
By accomplishment who has done more from 2008-2012 save Saban? 4 of the coaches have never coached in this league, 4 for 2 years or less and 6 that covers that period. (I think this is right).
Posted on 5/6/13 at 12:44 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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His 2011 team was a lot better than his 2007 championship team.
I agree, but look how he squandered it. No one ever talks about how great that team was, it's just 21-0 every time that season gets brought up.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 12:46 pm to WDE24
wow, I always get a chuckle out of the Miles bashers who say Miles is crappy but wins because he's at LSU. If anything, it points out who hasn't really been following football very long.
Seriously- who (outside of LSU fans) believes LSU is truly BETTER than- Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, Texas A&M, and for that matter Arkansas (we won't even bring up Fla); that "it doesn't matter" who's the head coach?
ALL of these schools could easily gather the same talent and replace us. The fact they haven't points to us having a decent coach.
Is Miles #1? I dunno, but he's better than middle-of-the-pack in the SEC.
Seriously- who (outside of LSU fans) believes LSU is truly BETTER than- Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, Texas A&M, and for that matter Arkansas (we won't even bring up Fla); that "it doesn't matter" who's the head coach?
ALL of these schools could easily gather the same talent and replace us. The fact they haven't points to us having a decent coach.
Is Miles #1? I dunno, but he's better than middle-of-the-pack in the SEC.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:18 pm to therick711
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The rest of your post is the recycled trash that appears in any critique of Miles that is debunked.
Recycled or just accurate. Nothing I posted was inaccurate nor has it been debunked. You listed one bad decision by Saban in 2005. He makes them as does every coach but Miles is in a league of his own. Timeouts, clock management, spiking the ball with one second on the clock, 4th and twelve fake fg, and let's not forget escaping with a win at TN because Dooley out-blundered him. You refusing to recognize the obvious doesn't make it untrue and certainly not debunked.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:41 pm to labamafan
Except for you being dead wrong the way you characterized the Oklahoma State program. Yeah, I debunked it. You made an argument that doesn't make sense without actually checking the factual predicate for said argument. Debunked is not strong enough to describe the idiocy that has to go into such a ridiculous argument. 
Just admit you have no idea about OSU's program, the state it was in when Miles took over, or what he did there, so we can move on. It is obvious based on what you argued that you don't know it, but let's see if you will actually cop to it. I'd like to think you'd admit not knowing about the situation, but I think you'll attempt to obfuscate and make an irrelevant point.
Just admit you have no idea about OSU's program, the state it was in when Miles took over, or what he did there, so we can move on. It is obvious based on what you argued that you don't know it, but let's see if you will actually cop to it. I'd like to think you'd admit not knowing about the situation, but I think you'll attempt to obfuscate and make an irrelevant point.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:42 pm to WDE24
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Sumlin
You of all people should know 1 good season =/= great coach.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:43 pm to WDE24
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I ranked the SEC Head Football Coaches in this thread
You did it wrong.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:45 pm to WDE24
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WDE24:
I ranked the SEC Head Football Coaches in this thread:
Saban
Sumlin
Franklin
Spurrier
Miles
Richt
Bielema
Malzahn
Freeze
Muschamp
Mullen
Stoops
Jones
Pinkle
lulz ... no, seriously, you've made us laugh.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:53 pm to Scoob
quote:I didn't say he was crappy, just not as good as some others and that his accomplishments are largely due to the advantages he has had at LSU. Also, you should find a new test to figure out how long people have been following football because it failed you here.
wow, I always get a chuckle out of the Miles bashers who say Miles is crappy but wins because he's at LSU.
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who (outside of LSU fans) believes LSU is truly BETTER than-
quote:LSU is very similar to UGA in the inherent advantages it has.
Georgia
quote:UT doesn't have nearly the homegrown talent to be even considered in the same context as LSU when it comes to inherent advantages.
Tennessee
quote:I forgot that LSU shared the state with one of the all time best programs in college football and competed in state against the best recruiter in the business.
Auburn
quote:They've been content playing the role of good little brother for a long time. As such, again, LSU has had some inherent advantages. However, it looks like that may be changing.
Texas A&M
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Arkansas
quote:They are all capable of passing LSU, but they don't have the inherent advantages in recruiting that LSU does.
ALL of these schools could easily gather the same talent and replace us.
quote:Ok. You have a decent coach. I would say he is probably better than decent, but decent works.
The fact they haven't points to us having a decent coach.
quote:Well, if you have been following football for very long you should know. This answer is pretty easy.
Is Miles #1? I dunno
Posted on 5/6/13 at 3:09 pm to therick711
I never addressed the state of the OK St program other than they are a better program now under the current coach, but that has nothing to do with he perception of Miles now and you ignoring the other factual arguments about Miles doesn't make you correct. I didn't say he was a terrible coach but he is not the second best in this league. Great recruiter but like I said offensive coach with consistently the worst offense in the sec if not one of the lowest in the nation. And he is much more known for his multitude of blunders than a six year old national championship. So again you haven't debunked anything.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 3:15 pm to therick711
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ust admit you have no idea about OSU's program, the state it was in when Miles took over, or what he did there, so we can move on. It is obvious based on what you argued that you don't know it, but let's see if you will actually cop to it. I'd like to think you'd admit not knowing about the situation, but I think you'll attempt to obfuscate and make an irrelevant poin
This is completely a silly and pointless argument. So if I didn't recall OKST program was coming off of probation that changes one thing I said. Your failure to recognize reality in your blind homerism is hilarious. So instead of addressing the real issues he has had at LSU you choose to focus on the idea that I forgot OK St was on probation.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 3:36 pm to labamafan
OK State went to 2 bowls in the 14 years before Miles. Under Miles they went to 3 straight bowls. That's all I'm going to say.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:07 pm to tgr4ever
quote:So you too are very impressed with James Franklin?
OK State went to 2 bowls in the 14 years before Miles. Under Miles they went to 3 straight bowls. That's all I'm going to say.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:38 pm to labamafan
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Your failure to recognize reality in your blind homerism is hilarious.
Blind homerism in a post where all I did was point out how you don't know what you are talking about and didn't follow football until 2008? Name one thing I said about Miles that would make me a homer. I didn't offer a ranking. I didn't say he was better than anyone. I didn't qualitatively talk about anything he does as a coach. All I did was show that you are talking out of your arse.
Also, re: WDE and Franklin
He has been very impressive. Being impressive gets you in the top half. If he can take a leap or bite someone who he shouldn't he may really make a leap in the coaching rankings.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:00 pm to therick711
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Blind homerism in a post where all I did was point out how you don't know what you are talking about and didn't follow football until 2008?
Wrong again, but like I said you choose to ignore the parts of the post you can't disagree with. Turning OK St into an average program when they were horrible doesn't override the seriousness of his mental errors which you started to argue in your original response with the 2005 cap one game an instead decide to hone in on the fact that I failed to mention OK ST was on probation. Now you simply redirect the debate and resort to the you didn't follow football until Alabama was good but what you really are seeing is No one followed OK ST until MR took over and turned them into a contender. His time at OK St does not compensate the vast number of game decision unless you consider game time decisions irrelevant in a subjective ranking of coaches.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:04 pm to labamafan
So, you couldn't point to anything I said that was homerism. That's because you basically just react without reading what is actually being said. 
I appreciate your constant deflections and misrepresentations as I predicted, but a simple I didn't know anything about OSU would have been fine.
For reference:
(obligatory "Mark Richt has lost control of OSU football.")
I knew it to be the case and was ultimately vindicated. Thanks for the lively discussion, though.
I appreciate your constant deflections and misrepresentations as I predicted, but a simple I didn't know anything about OSU would have been fine. For reference:
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Just admit you have no idea about OSU's program, the state it was in when Miles took over, or what he did there, so we can move on. It is obvious based on what you argued that you don't know it, but let's see if you will actually cop to it. I'd like to think you'd admit not knowing about the situation, but I think you'll attempt to obfuscate and make an irrelevant point.
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No one followed OK ST until MR took over and turned them into a contender.
(obligatory "Mark Richt has lost control of OSU football.") I knew it to be the case and was ultimately vindicated. Thanks for the lively discussion, though.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:19 pm to WDE24
Let's let Kevin Sumlin actually win something before putting him ahead of coaches with multiple divisional, SEC, and even national titles.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:25 pm to TT9
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In shitty conferences with Brian Kelly's players.
I'm not confident in Jones, but it's funny how his teams got significantly better as he replaced more of Kelly's players.
Kelly may have done the major rebuilding at those programs, but it's not like Jones only one because he inherited a powerhouse. If that were the case, his teams would have gotten worse each year, not better.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 5:28 pm
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