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I don’t get Palmer’s argument for Notre Dame
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:49 pm
Jesse Palmer says A&M got blown out by the #1 team and no one wants to see a rematch.
Didn’t Notre Dame get blown out by a full-strength #2 team, and they would be playing for a third time?
Seems like this all boils down to North Carolina being some juggernaut, so Notre Dame gets the edge in the eyes of the pundits.
Didn’t Notre Dame get blown out by a full-strength #2 team, and they would be playing for a third time?
Seems like this all boils down to North Carolina being some juggernaut, so Notre Dame gets the edge in the eyes of the pundits.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:50 pm to paperwasp
10-1 > 8-1
A&M lost to Bama by 28
ND lost to Clemson by 24
ND beat Clemson in the regular season
A&M didn’t get another chance.
A&M lost to Bama by 28
ND lost to Clemson by 24
ND beat Clemson in the regular season
A&M didn’t get another chance.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:53 pm to Box Geauxrilla
I think what he is saying is the CFP is heavly influenced by the networks now. They think more people will watch a weak arse ND and OSU get the crap beat out of them than TAM in the CFP.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:54 pm to WestRockyTop
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I think what he is saying is the CFP is heavly influenced by the networks now. They think more people will watch a weak arse ND and OSU get the crap beat out of them than TAM in the CFP.
I think you’re right.
In a year of heavy financial losses, the CFP wants the most money-making matchups possible.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:55 pm to paperwasp
People don’t wanna rematch argument is basically admitting that ND has no chance.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:56 pm to paperwasp
He should have just told the truth
A&M is a trash school and program and no one cares about leaving trash out of the playoffs
A&M is a trash school and program and no one cares about leaving trash out of the playoffs
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:00 pm to paperwasp
The real problem isn't Notre Dame.
I'd give the edge to aTm because of their win against Florida, but it's close enough you can argue either way.
The problem is a tOSU team that played 6 games, faced only 2 teams with pulses, and struggled against both is getting the same level of respect as teams who played full seasons.
That's just plain wrong. It isn't tOSU's fault that at first their conference pussed out but it happened and it shouldn't be rewarded.
I'd give the edge to aTm because of their win against Florida, but it's close enough you can argue either way.
The problem is a tOSU team that played 6 games, faced only 2 teams with pulses, and struggled against both is getting the same level of respect as teams who played full seasons.
That's just plain wrong. It isn't tOSU's fault that at first their conference pussed out but it happened and it shouldn't be rewarded.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:00 pm to paperwasp
The logic doesn't matter. It changes from year to year. The only constant is the outcome. The name brand teams get in. Everyone else gets left out. The committee will change what they value from year to year to ensure nothing changes.
College Football under the selection committee is an exhibition sport.
College Football under the selection committee is an exhibition sport.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:02 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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10-1 > 8-1
A&M lost to Bama by 28
ND lost to Clemson by 24
ND beat Clemson in the regular season
A&M didn’t get another chance.
I really get and agree with this. But when you lose matters in college football. Always has. If you're going to lose, lose early so you can climb back up the rankings and give the whole "early season, we're a different team, now" narrative. A&M lost to Alabama by 28 and dropped eight spots. Notre Dame loses by 24 the last game of the season and only drops two.
The deserving resumes are almost a wash, with an edge to ND. But you can't lose the last game of the season by four scores (to a team you already beat) and drop two places in the polls.
And to think, all of this could have been avoided if they just did the right thing and kept Ohio State's entitled arse out, as they should.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:08 pm to VagueMessage
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But when you lose matters in college football. Always has.
Shouldn’t matter and it often doesn’t matter when it comes to the final pill. See 2007
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:12 pm to paperwasp
It also makes no sense that the first game is discounted for Clemson, but necessary for the ND argument.
Either ND has a signature win and it's a knock on Clemson or it's not a knock on a depleted Clemson and it's not a good win. It can't be used for both.
Either ND has a signature win and it's a knock on Clemson or it's not a knock on a depleted Clemson and it's not a good win. It can't be used for both.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:14 pm to paperwasp
The fact they let Ohio in is absurd given their schedule. Not to mention when did Oklahoma move up to 6? I thought they were like 10.
Edit: And I despise aTm lol, even still doesn't seem fair. Sure aTm might get blown out but Ohio was struggling in their game Saturday.
Edit: And I despise aTm lol, even still doesn't seem fair. Sure aTm might get blown out but Ohio was struggling in their game Saturday.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:19 pm to Krampus
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The logic doesn't matter. It changes from year to year.
This is the worst part; the lack of consistency. Consider this: If Northwestern had played better in the fourth and beaten Ohio State by a narrow score, they would have been 7–1 and B1G champs. The polls would have either had to leave them out over Texas A&M AND Notre Dame (who just got drilled by 24 points in their final game), or jump them up ten spaces for a narrow win over a shitty, overrated team that was 5–1 at the last game of the season. Neither of those scenarios are really right or fair.
Also, consider: USC was the same undefeated 5–0 as OSU, but they were #13. There was never even talk of the possibility of 6–0 USC getting in the playoff. Sure, USC's schedule was weaker, but Ohio State's schedule was weaker and smaller than both Notre Dame's and TAMU's, so you can end up cutting yourself on that argument.
The nature of four playoff spots is problematic when you have five conferences and then sometimes a really hot G5 team that's making a splash. Either expand it or just go back to the BCS #1 vs. #2 at season's end. I'm tired of seeing the playoff committee be wishy-washy on their standards, and I'm tired of just waiting until the day when there are five undefeated P5 teams (and/or Notre Dame), and then they've painted themselves into a corner that was not even statistically all that unlikely. There are just too many frustrating holes in the logic of the current system, and it doesn't have to be that way except out of stubbornness.
The NCAA and playoff committee left themselves with literally no winning move this year by letting the Pac 12 and B1G opt out, then opt in, and cancel a bunch of games on an already subsidized schedule, then change a rule, and then pass judgements on arbitrary truisms about what a team is theoretically made of. So stupid.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:20 pm to Krampus
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The logic doesn't matter. It changes from year to year. The only constant is the outcome
What is the case for Aggies get in? Your win against 8-3 Florida or 6-4 Auburn? Because those are the only two teams you beat with a winning record.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:21 pm to paperwasp
No matter what... if you lose a game you control of your own destiny. Becomes a judgement call based on who did what versus who... usually without common opponents.
Been like this, is like this, and will continue to be like that.
Been like this, is like this, and will continue to be like that.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:22 pm to paperwasp
A&M’s best win is 3 loss UF. ND’s best win is Clemson. ND lost to Clemson by 24 in their conference championship game. A&M lost to bama by 28 and couldn’t make it to their conference championship. How is this even an argument?
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:22 pm to paperwasp
Notre Dame has better wins (Clemson and UNC > UF and Auburn), equivalent loss, better eye test (no games as bad as A&M vs Vandy and LSU), and played in a conference championship. The committee didn't want a rematch of A&M and Alabama (nor did anyone else outside of those 2 fanbases) and didn't want to punish ND for playing in a conference championship (they'd be in easy if they stayed independent). It makes sense
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:23 pm to djsdawg
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Shouldn’t matter and it often doesn’t matter when it comes to the final pill. See 2007
You mean the year 1 loss Missouri and 1 loss West Virginia both fell below 2 loss LSU after losing their last games of the season? That’s your argument for when you lose not mattering?
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:24 pm to paperwasp
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Didn’t Notre Dame get blown out by a full-strength #2 team, and they would be playing for a third time?
They are not playing for a third time.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:31 pm to Box Geauxrilla
So Notre Dame gets credit for extra win over South fricking Florida and Trevorless Clemson? GTFO HERE
Also...Big 10 drops quarantine time to 14 days for OSU. Why stop there why not just let them pick one player from each team to play during the game for them?
If Big 10 gave a shite about fairness and COVID safety, they wouldn’t have hosed the Hoosiers and scheduled OSU vs Cincy!
Also...Big 10 drops quarantine time to 14 days for OSU. Why stop there why not just let them pick one player from each team to play during the game for them?
If Big 10 gave a shite about fairness and COVID safety, they wouldn’t have hosed the Hoosiers and scheduled OSU vs Cincy!
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