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Hypothetical: Would Sewanee Have Worked Out In The SEC Long Term?

Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:14 pm
Posted by psk_Vol
Nashville
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Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:14 pm
Random, non-serious off season convo scenario stemming from a recent debate I had with buds who are all huge fans of their respective SEC school. But had Sewannee never left the SEC and stuck it out through today's era where each SEC member now receives tens/hundreds of millions of dollars a year in TV money/revenue/tution, does anyone else think like I do that they might have eventually been able to build a cool arse SEC university over the course of the 20th century?

"The University of the South" branding/image could have totally worked in their favor imo over the years as the SEC and college athletics as a whole continued to become more and more culturally relevant and important. I feel like Sewanee missed the boat on potentially becoming a hell of an SEC athletics/party school attended that could have ultimately attracted tens of thousands students and recruits respectively from all over the country. They could have very well evolved into becoming a private school version of Auburn/Ole Miss.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20258 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:51 pm to
Doubtful; the money didn't start rolling in until a couple decades ago. Just fortunate timing, Saban arriving at LSU to push an arms race in conference between LSU, Auburn, UGA and Fla, with Tennessee hanging around on the periphery and Alabama's history tossed in. That prompted ESPN to dump a buttload of cash here, and that's when the conference as a whole separated.

Until then, the brand was probably 4th at best. You had the Big 8/Big 12 with Nebraska and Oklahoma, you had the Big 10 with Michigan and Ohio State, you had the U (and Big East), and Fla State (ACC).

That's going a LONG time as probably the team Vandy pushes around, before any windfall happened.
Posted by Clark14
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 1:00 am to
I googled Sewanee leaving the SEC and read an article from The Athletic. I had no idea they were so successful early on but they fell on bad times football wise and didn’t want to make the commitment to carry on.

A quote from their chancellor when they left….

“We regret exceedingly to take this step,” Guerry said in the letter of resignation to the SEC, but his comments two years earlier to Sewanee students indicated he had no regrets: “A ‘big time’ football policy for a college distorts the purpose of the college, destroys the sense of values and robs it of the opportunity to give its students a sense of values. Sewanee’s prestige in Southern education and in the nation does not rest upon the football victories of the past, but upon the splendid academic and spiritual ideals which she has maintained.”




Btw, they left in 1940….
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 1:04 am
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 6:37 am to
quote:

We regret exceedingly to take this step


Not exactly an opening line from the Churchill textbook.
Posted by morriscat2
tennessee
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:35 am to
Can you imagine the tailgating experience on this beautiful setting! The Bishops who ran this school were losers. They couldn’t bring themselves to compete. Now we are denied a great rival in a wonderful setting.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:18 am to
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Doubtful; the money didn't start rolling in until a couple decades ago.


Sewanee was pretty much doomed. They were just a bit too small to pull this off.

The schools that have to be kicking themselves are Georgia Tech and Tulane. Both were large enough that they could have stayed in the conference and competed if they had invested during the lean years. Both in rich recruiting areas.

What doomed both of them, I think, was this idea of creating a "Southern Ivy" conference to rival the Ivy League. Unfortunately for them, while there are enough Southern colleges to put such a conference together... most of them didn't want anything to do with spending the money to compete at the highest level in sports. And, it should be noted, the Ivy League itself, despite its vast endowments, shied away from competing in the FBS and doesn't send teams to the FCS tourney in football.
Posted by morriscat2
tennessee
Member since Jun 2012
1934 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:50 am to
Enrollments can be grown. Case in point is Belmont. In 1980 Belmont had an enrollment of 450-650 students. They are north of 9000 now and will breach 10000 in 3-4 years if the current trajectory continues. Of course the economy could tank and torpedo that.
Posted by bunkerhill
Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
1368 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:29 am to
I drove through that campus a couple of years ago. Talk about an isolated area.
They were relevant when only rich kids even knew what a college was let alone attend one.
As education was expanded for the masses, U of South was never going to compete with powers in the old SEC.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:33 am to
so you're from Nashville and you've never been to Monteagle Mountain
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:38 am to
quote:

The schools that have to be kicking themselves are Georgia Tech and Tulane. Both were large enough that they could have stayed in the conference and competed if they had invested during the lean years. Both in rich recruiting areas.





this is the correct answer
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26950 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 12:26 pm to
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Hypothetical: Would Sewanee Have Worked Out In The SEC Long Term?


Ever been to Sewanee? Just for starters, where would you put a stadium? Parking for tens of thousands of football fans?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26950 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

Can you imagine the tailgating experience on this beautiful setting!


What I can't imagine is 50,000 cars finding a place to park.

And that's nothing compared to traffic going up and down the mountain.

You haven't lived until you've been stuck behind an 18 wheeler going 25 miles an hour in the inside lane going up the Nashville side of Monteagle Mountain while he's trying to pass the the other 18 wheeler going 20 miles an hour.

Now throw in several thousand more cars.
Posted by footswitch
New Market
Member since Apr 2015
3878 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 12:48 pm to
Saw a legitimate mountain lion on the highway up there.
Majestic.
Posted by BigScoreboard
Member since May 2021
866 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 12:57 pm to
No
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54595 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 1:31 pm to
No

Have you ever been there?

While Duke, Vanderbilt, and Sewanee all were religious schools, Sewanee never got the Sugar Daddy (tobacco for Duke and railroads for Vanderbilt) needed to make the next step. Like many small Southern private schools, WWI + WWII meant the GI Bill and the rise of the state schools.

Great campus but in the middle of nowhere
Small private school with no game changing donor

Centre College (first non Ivy school to beat Harvard) & (School that played TAMU in the game that created 12th Man) had a similar fate.

Transylvania University (1st school in the South to play football) was split to form the nexus of UK but remained small and private. In the early days of the country they had a better med school than Harvard.

Tulane was a football power early on but chose academics over athletics and gave their Rose Bowl bid in the 1920's to Alabama.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54595 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

I can't imagine is 500 cars finding a place to park.


FIFY
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
29118 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 1:37 pm to
Never.
Have you been there? Middle of nowhere.
Posted by morriscat2
tennessee
Member since Jun 2012
1934 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 2:47 pm to
Sewanee was a big rival for Vandy. Only 90 miles away and a private school. Sewanee could have grown with the right leadership. And there is plenty of flat terrain up there to build a larger football stadium and widen the access road to nearby I-24.
Posted by psk_Vol
Nashville
Member since Jan 2012
3648 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 3:38 pm to
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Have you been there? Middle of nowhere.

Plenty/most SEC schools were located in what was considered "the middle of nowhere" at the dawning of Southern College Football stretching through much of the 20th century. Like imagine what a desolate, baren land of nothingness that College Station, Starkville, Auburn, ect. were pre 1940. If they were still an SEC school with at least 10/15k students, then that entire town and the resulting supporting local economy that would have naturally sprouted along side the growth of a theoretical modern day SEC Sewanee would have made Monteagle/Franklin County TN unrecognizable.

I betcha from like 1920-1970ish they could have eventually had just one excellent coach fall into their laps (in either football or basketball) who could have turned that entire institution's perception and priorities around as it pertained to how they perceived the role of athletics within Universities. An SEC alumni & donor base/fanbase they could have amassed over this past century as college athletics became ever increasingly culturally relevant/visible to go along with the Old Money coffers they have always had easily could have transformed "The University of the South" into a trust Fund, academia elitist, epically wild SEC party school with a "Southern" flare.

You just can't convince me a place called the "University of the South" wouldn't have worked out long term in the SEC. Just feels like they would have found their "niche" amongst the SEC had they stuck it out.

JMO. Fun to think about if you are an SEC/ college football nerd like all of us are.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted by psk_Vol
Nashville
Member since Jan 2012
3648 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

We regret exceedingly to take this step,” Guerry said in the letter of resignation to the SEC, but his comments two years earlier to Sewanee students indicated he had no regrets: “A ‘big time’ football policy for a college distorts the purpose of the college, destroys the sense of values and robs it of the opportunity to give its students a sense of values. Sewanee’s prestige in Southern education and in the nation does not rest upon the football victories of the past, but upon the splendid academic and spiritual ideals which she has maintained.”




Btw, they left in 1940…


What a nerd loser. We ain't here to play school, Guerry.
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