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How would you rank these jobs as landing spots for head coaches? Rank within the group.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 2:42 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 2:42 am
Group 1: Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State:
Georgia: Superior in-state talent among the three. Border talent is also plentiful. No in state school that's really competitive. Conference has many competitors on recruiting trail including one to three that can compete year to year.
Alabama: Very good in-state talent, slightly better than Ohio. Border talent is also plentiful. In state school that is a fairly formidable competitor most years. Conference has many competitors on recruiting trail including one to three that can compete year to year.
Ohio State: Very good in-state talent. Border talent not that great, so must go national to be elite in recruiting. No in state competitor and only one school that even comes within a light year in terms of recruiting competitor. Will soon add an equal in recruiting in conference, but a gazillion miles away in proximity.
Group 2:
Michigan, Tennessee, Oregon
None of these states have great in-state talent so they must recruit outside.
Michigan: No in-state competition. Blueblood name brand that faded but is being revived. Not much regional talent around, so must recruit nation wide heavily.Only has one school in conference that really can challenge in terms of recruiting. Will soon add one more though that school is a galaxy away in proximity.
Tennessee: No in-state competition. Blueblood name brand that faded but is being revived. Does have a better regional base than the other two. Has to fight with a ton of schools for big time recruits in that base.
Oregon: Not much in-state competition, but not much in state talent. Only has one school that can challenge in terms of recruiting in conference, but will soon be the top dawg. Nike money.
Georgia: Superior in-state talent among the three. Border talent is also plentiful. No in state school that's really competitive. Conference has many competitors on recruiting trail including one to three that can compete year to year.
Alabama: Very good in-state talent, slightly better than Ohio. Border talent is also plentiful. In state school that is a fairly formidable competitor most years. Conference has many competitors on recruiting trail including one to three that can compete year to year.
Ohio State: Very good in-state talent. Border talent not that great, so must go national to be elite in recruiting. No in state competitor and only one school that even comes within a light year in terms of recruiting competitor. Will soon add an equal in recruiting in conference, but a gazillion miles away in proximity.
Group 2:
Michigan, Tennessee, Oregon
None of these states have great in-state talent so they must recruit outside.
Michigan: No in-state competition. Blueblood name brand that faded but is being revived. Not much regional talent around, so must recruit nation wide heavily.Only has one school in conference that really can challenge in terms of recruiting. Will soon add one more though that school is a galaxy away in proximity.
Tennessee: No in-state competition. Blueblood name brand that faded but is being revived. Does have a better regional base than the other two. Has to fight with a ton of schools for big time recruits in that base.
Oregon: Not much in-state competition, but not much in state talent. Only has one school that can challenge in terms of recruiting in conference, but will soon be the top dawg. Nike money.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 2:45 am
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Posted on 1/26/23 at 2:46 am to koreandawg
You are foolish hack if you think Ohio has talent and Michigan don't why don't you look at the roster looks more like Ohio goes outside the state for talent stupid post go figure ga fan
Posted on 1/26/23 at 4:52 am to koreandawg
So you see UGA and Bama as pretty much the same except for some odd reason you rank native GA talent superior to native AL talent. I don't understand how you can do that reasonably considering that most football talent in the south comes from the exact same genetic background. So just looking at overall program quality as a deciding factor on where I would go I would pick Bama over UGA.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 5:07 am to koreandawg
LSU would have to be in tier one if area recruiting talent and lack of an instate rival for recruits is one measuring stick. Mississippi and South Carolina are amazingly rich in recruiting also but there are 4 instate schools in the 2 of them. Louisiana takes a back seat to no one in producing NFL talent per capita...may be at the top of the list. LSU has won 3 natty's with 3 different coaches in the last 20 years or so and 2 of those coaches are widely considered morons and one those is without a doubt a moron in personal life choices (a damned genius at getting paid and paid well though LOL). Even when Saban was at LSU and won a title he did not have a great track record as a head coach in college. That is as impressive a run as any program has made outside of Saban and Alabama because it speaks to the high level of performance the program operates at even when lead by a moron, a semi moron and a pretty average coach. Brian Kelly is a proven quantity who is not widely considered to be a moron...LSU is in an enviable position especially considering Nick Saban's age. The only down side is Kelly ain't a youngster either. AT any rate LSU has to be one of the best coaching gigs in the US. Just by the measure of Ed O walking away with a lifetime of F you money for doing next to no actual work other than hiring a brilliant flash in the pan OC and getting a generational talent at QB for one season and walking away with a pile of cash makes the job attractive.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:02 am to Gatorsingreenville
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You are foolish hack if you think Ohio has talent and Michigan don't why don't you look at the roster looks more like Ohio goes outside the state for talent stupid post go figure ga fan
Ohio has and always has had more talent than Michigan in state. Many of the bvest players in Michigan history came from Ohio. Ohio State recruits nationally because like a few other schools across the country they have built a national brand which allows them to recruit elite talent from other states.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:09 am to Beessnax
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So you see UGA and Bama as pretty much the same except for some odd reason you rank native GA talent superior to native AL talent.
Maybe because UGA has a much larger pool to pick from
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:09 am to koreandawg
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:12 am to koreandawg
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Michigan: No in-state competition
Have you heard of a small school named Michigan State?
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:29 am to Beessnax
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So you see UGA and Bama as pretty much the same except for some odd reason you rank native GA talent superior to native AL talent.
While there’s a lot of football talent in Alabama (it did have the fourth most Top 300 players this past cycle) it is still a considerably less amount than Georgia.
But Alabama’s 300 mile radius has as much talent as anyone in the country. So it makes it one of the top 5 jobs in that category.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 7:35 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:33 am to Beessnax
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for some odd reason you rank native GA talent superior to native AL talent.
Georgia is far and away a deeper talent pool than Alabama, up there with Florida and California as the deepest in the country. I thought this was common knowledge
Posted on 1/26/23 at 8:20 am to Gatorsingreenville
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You are foolish hack if you think Ohio has talent and Michigan don't why don't you look at the roster looks more like Ohio goes outside the state for talent stupid post go figure ga fan
He's talking about recruits in each state. Ohio is one of the top 5-6 states in the country for in state talent. If Ohio State goes outside their state to recruit, that is their decision. He also mentioned that Ohio does not have a lot of talent in bordering states, so in order to be a top recruiting school they must recruit nationally.
I suspect you did not read his post very carefully.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 8:34 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 8:24 am to Beessnax
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So you see UGA and Bama as pretty much the same except for some odd reason you rank native GA talent superior to native AL talent. I don't understand how you can do that reasonably considering that most football talent in the south comes from the exact same genetic background. So just looking at overall program quality as a deciding factor on where I would go I would pick Bama over UGA.
Maybe because Georgia has more Blue Chip talent? Yes, it is probably because the population is higher, but it doesn't change the fact that Georgia is a top 3-4 state in talent.
I might would pick Alabama, too, however that would be based on past history and what I perceive to be a stronger support from the school for their football team. That seems to be changing at Georgia, though, so it is getting closer if the gap has not been closed in that regard.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 8:44 am to koreandawg
Interesting discussion, but I do think the sufficiency and availability of adjacent talent is becoming less relevant in college football.
In their most recent class, only a little over one-quarter of Alabama's signees were in-state.
They took players from Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Texas, etc.
Two years ago, they signed more players from Texas than from Alabama. Bryce Young was from California. John Metchie was from New Jersey.
I think geographical location is important, I just don't think it's important as it used to be.
In their most recent class, only a little over one-quarter of Alabama's signees were in-state.
They took players from Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Texas, etc.
Two years ago, they signed more players from Texas than from Alabama. Bryce Young was from California. John Metchie was from New Jersey.
I think geographical location is important, I just don't think it's important as it used to be.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 8:53 am to Beessnax
I didn't rank anyone. I said what I thought the strengths and weaknesses of the teams were in each group.
I asked how you (not you personally you know, but the whole board) would rank them?
Generally speaking, when someone puts a ranking out, they put numbers beside the teams. I mean, how many times have you seen the AP release their rankings like this?:
Georgia
Alabama
Ohio State
Michigan
LSU
USC
.....
I asked how you (not you personally you know, but the whole board) would rank them?
Generally speaking, when someone puts a ranking out, they put numbers beside the teams. I mean, how many times have you seen the AP release their rankings like this?:
Georgia
Alabama
Ohio State
Michigan
LSU
USC
.....
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:00 am to AwgustaDawg
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LSU would have to be in tier one
This wasn't saying LSU or Florida or whatever other job should be in group 1 or group 2.
I was comparing the three top recruiting schools over the last five to six years.
I also thought about Michigan and what school would be most like them in the SEC and another school similar in a Power 5.
As far as home base and ability to reach the ceiling of UGA, Bama and Ohio State in recruiting, there are several other schools that could be in that group. LSU would be one. Along with the two big Texas schools, all three Florida schools, USC, Clemson and maybe Oklahoma or Auburn (though a strong Bama and Georgia really hurt Auburn's chances even if they have the right guy).
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:03 am to paperwasp
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Interesting discussion, but I do think the sufficiency and availability of adjacent talent is becoming less relevant in college football.
In their most recent class, only a little over one-quarter of Alabama's signees were in-state.
They took players from Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Texas, etc.
Two years ago, they signed more players from Texas than from Alabama. Bryce Young was from California. John Metchie was from New Jersey.
I think geographical location is important, I just don't think it's important as it used to be.
Georgia is also signing a lot of kids out of state. I think Georgia got 7 of the top ten out of the state of Florida this year or something near that.
But the in-state talent is there to fall back on if things don't go well on the big fish nationally. That's a big plus for Georgia and Alabama, especially if the state has a mega class, which sometimes happens. Alabama has really improved in in-state talent the last ten years or so. See a lot more Alabama players on top 250 lists in most classes now.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 9:04 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:07 am to koreandawg
quote:this is why Uga can dominate.
No in state school that's really competitive
It may not happen, but it just seems like GT forgot about football. Almost like the are Stanford, and could care less if they were pushed to Conference USA.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:08 am to koreandawg
Everyone makes far too much noise about in-state talent. It should be more about talent within, say, an easy day's drive of your campus. Alabama is the most successful program in the South, and by a huge margin, for the same reason that the state's nickname is the Heart of Dixie. Just through the simple blessing of geography Bama can easily reach into Georgia, the panhandle of Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, eastern Arkansas, and Tennessee. And of course, that's even before you throw the whole "national brand" thing on top of it.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:22 am to tylerdurden24
Per capita elite recruits since 2013 with DC counted in Virginia and Maryland per 100,000 citizens:
10). Ohio .68
9). Maryland .69
8). Hawaii .70
7). Virginia .73
6). Texas .82
5). Florida 1.1
4). Alabama 1.21
3). Mississippi 1.27
2). Georgia 1.37
1). Louisiana 1.58
For comparison California is 13th on the list at .51
The area from the Atlantic Ocean at between Charleston
SC and N. Myrtle Beach SC and west to Texas which would include South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana has a Population equal to 99.79% of the population of Texas and has an area 91.09% of Texas's. The number of elite players who come from this smaller population and smaller land mass is 148.47% greater than the number of elite players coming from Texas. When broken down by types of elite players the area between SC and Louisiana is more diverse and includes comparable numbers of skill positions, slightly higher numbers of elite O Linemen and substantially higher numbers of elite defensive linemen and linebackers. If you throw Florida in the mix the land mass is about 30% of the US and the population is about 9% and that region including Florida would produce nearly 130% more elite college football recruits than the rest of the nation COMBINED. Youth football and High School football is the reason the SEC and to a lesser extent individual ACC schools have been able to take over and control CFB for the last 20 years or so....football truly just means more in the area between Florida, South Carolina and west through Louisiana. The numbers do not lie...they aint close especially where it matters and that is BIG Fast defensive linemen coupled with BIG fast offensive linemen.
10). Ohio .68
9). Maryland .69
8). Hawaii .70
7). Virginia .73
6). Texas .82
5). Florida 1.1
4). Alabama 1.21
3). Mississippi 1.27
2). Georgia 1.37
1). Louisiana 1.58
For comparison California is 13th on the list at .51
The area from the Atlantic Ocean at between Charleston
SC and N. Myrtle Beach SC and west to Texas which would include South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana has a Population equal to 99.79% of the population of Texas and has an area 91.09% of Texas's. The number of elite players who come from this smaller population and smaller land mass is 148.47% greater than the number of elite players coming from Texas. When broken down by types of elite players the area between SC and Louisiana is more diverse and includes comparable numbers of skill positions, slightly higher numbers of elite O Linemen and substantially higher numbers of elite defensive linemen and linebackers. If you throw Florida in the mix the land mass is about 30% of the US and the population is about 9% and that region including Florida would produce nearly 130% more elite college football recruits than the rest of the nation COMBINED. Youth football and High School football is the reason the SEC and to a lesser extent individual ACC schools have been able to take over and control CFB for the last 20 years or so....football truly just means more in the area between Florida, South Carolina and west through Louisiana. The numbers do not lie...they aint close especially where it matters and that is BIG Fast defensive linemen coupled with BIG fast offensive linemen.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:30 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Everyone makes far too much noise about in-state talent. It should be more about talent within, say, an easy day's drive of your campus. Alabama is the most successful program in the South, and by a huge margin, for the same reason that the state's nickname is the Heart of Dixie. Just through the simple blessing of geography Bama can easily reach into Georgia, the panhandle of Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, eastern Arkansas, and Tennessee. And of course, that's even before you throw the whole "national brand" thing on top of it.
This is spot on. High recruiting takes place monday - friday between 4 in the afternoon and 7 at night....that is a narrow window considering the other job recruiters have. Texas is talent rich but that talent can be a day away by car and even an hour away by plane....just harder to cover that area effectively. Couple the smaller land mass with a substantially higher number of possible recruits per capita and Alabama is almost dead center of the most fertile ground of CFB recruiting in the US and also borders Florida....South Carolina to Louisiana produces more recruits in less are and with lower population than texas and add Florida in the mix and the area out produces the rest of the nation entirely. It aint an accident....when you break it down by position it is particularly wide margin in the area of linemen and linebackers....youth football and high school football still means something in the deep south where it is being replaced by soccer at best in most of the rest of the nation including texas.
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