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re: How would you compare Manziel and Tebow?
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:11 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:11 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
I don't think we have to worry about all that.
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Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:25 pm to DWag215
Tebow thrived in Urban Meyer's system...
Manziel reminds me more of Michael Vick...he makes plays happen, while Tebow is a great leader and wills his team to win
Manziel reminds me more of Michael Vick...he makes plays happen, while Tebow is a great leader and wills his team to win
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:05 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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So when JFF puts up the same numbers this year and we win the MNC he will finally be better than both in your mind?
Sure. If he puts up heisman numbers again and wins the division, conference and MNC I will put him in the same conversation, but I don't know about better. Also, if my aunt had nuts, she would be my uncle.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:35 pm to DWag215
TAMU faced short yardage situations against Florida and LSU and FAILED to convert when it mattered in the 2nd half of both games.
That didn't happen to Tebow much.
That didn't happen to Tebow much.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:46 pm to slayerxing
Tebow's lifetime stats:
692 rushes, 3360 yards, 57 TD
661-995, 66.5%, 9285 yards, 88 TD, 16 INT
Passing Efficiency rankings nationally:
2007 - #2 - 172.5 passing efficiency
2008 - #4 - 172.37 passing efficiency
2009 - #1 - 164.17 passing efficiency
Holds the career record for rushing TD's in a career. Had a career record of 35-6 as a starter. UF went 48-7 with him on the team.
He is second ALL TIME in career passing effciency in the NCAA. He is the SEC's all time leader in passing efficiency, completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, rushing yards by a QB, rushing TD from any position, and total TD's responsible for.
Tebow was 3rd for a career in the NCAA all time in yards per attempt, and onws the record for most games in which he both threw at least one TD and rushed for at least 1 TD.
Maybe Manziel will match him. Maybe. He's not there yet.
692 rushes, 3360 yards, 57 TD
661-995, 66.5%, 9285 yards, 88 TD, 16 INT
Passing Efficiency rankings nationally:
2007 - #2 - 172.5 passing efficiency
2008 - #4 - 172.37 passing efficiency
2009 - #1 - 164.17 passing efficiency
Holds the career record for rushing TD's in a career. Had a career record of 35-6 as a starter. UF went 48-7 with him on the team.
He is second ALL TIME in career passing effciency in the NCAA. He is the SEC's all time leader in passing efficiency, completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, rushing yards by a QB, rushing TD from any position, and total TD's responsible for.
Tebow was 3rd for a career in the NCAA all time in yards per attempt, and onws the record for most games in which he both threw at least one TD and rushed for at least 1 TD.
Maybe Manziel will match him. Maybe. He's not there yet.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:56 pm to biggsc
From a fan perspective I feared playing can newton more than tebow and tebow more than manziel
Could that change yeah... But I had to watch tebow inflict misery at the college level for 4 years. Now tebow was on a better team but you just couldn't scheme against him
I've seen good defenses make manziel look like a bad qb. Maybe it is just because some years have passed but I don't recall tebow disappearing for a quarter or 2 quarters in a big game, his presence was always felt I thought
Could that change yeah... But I had to watch tebow inflict misery at the college level for 4 years. Now tebow was on a better team but you just couldn't scheme against him
I've seen good defenses make manziel look like a bad qb. Maybe it is just because some years have passed but I don't recall tebow disappearing for a quarter or 2 quarters in a big game, his presence was always felt I thought
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:25 pm to ThePoo
Tebow obviously has more accomplishments. But-
The only way to truly compare talent is to take the team out of it and go back to the playground system of picking teams.
If you pick QB first - who do you pick?
I take JFF without even having to think.
The only way to truly compare talent is to take the team out of it and go back to the playground system of picking teams.
If you pick QB first - who do you pick?
I take JFF without even having to think.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:28 pm to biggsc
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:29 pm to ThePoo
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From a fan perspective I feared playing can newton more than tebow and tebow more than manziel
which makes perfect sense as a LSU fan
LSU faced Newton once and he had a monster game. LSU faced Tebow four times and lost 3 of 4 (but did control him in a relative sense in a couple of those). LSU has faced JFF once and did a really good job of limiting him after the first drive (won the game)
No one is saying JFF isn't a great player. He's just being compared to two of the greatest quarterbacks in the recent history of the SEC
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:30 pm to biggsc
The ow would defend your girls honor. JFF would simply be on her.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:42 pm to thunderbird1100
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I want to see if Manziel can come close to what he did last year, this year.
Correct answer.
Manziel appears to have a much higher potential ceiling, but all he's got so far is the Heisman.
Tebow was under the microscope from the moment he signed with UF and he lived up to it. Three SEC title game appearances, two national titles (yes, he played a big role in the first) and a Heisman is getting it done.
The JFF media frenzy built up as last season progressed. He got close to half a season of little to no outside pressure. Secret's out, now he's got to show he can still get it done.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:46 pm to slayerxing
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Tebow's lifetime stats: 692 rushes, 3360 yards, 57 TD 661-995, 66.5%, 9285 yards, 88 TD, 16 INT Passing Efficiency rankings nationally: 2007 - #2 - 172.5 passing efficiency 2008 - #4 - 172.37 passing efficiency 2009 - #1 - 164.17 passing efficiency Holds the career record for rushing TD's in a career. Had a career record of 35-6 as a starter. UF went 48-7 with him on the team. He is second ALL TIME in career passing effciency in the NCAA. He is the SEC's all time leader in passing efficiency, completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, rushing yards by a QB, rushing TD from any position, and total TD's responsible for. Tebow was 3rd for a career in the NCAA all time in yards per attempt, and onws the record for most games in which he both threw at least one TD and rushed for at least 1 TD. Maybe Manziel will match him. Maybe. He's not there yet.
First, I hate that quoting on mobile loses the format.
Second, you're comparing all of Tim's college career in a vacuum, to 2 years of Johnny's.
Go ahead and exclude 08 and 09 to get a fair comparison. I also consider the defenses that helped the teams. UF had an elite defense. A&Ms defense was pretty good but not great and certainly not elite.
If I'm trying to objectively compare the two I think I'll take Manziel over Tebow but its close.
At this point I might take Cam over either
But if Johnny has improved since last season he's going to jump Cam IMO. Even if our D doesn't allow us a championship.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:48 pm to JustGetItRight
Good points. I was worried about a Heisman hangover in the Cotton Bowl. And giving the Stoops a month to game plan and watch all 12 of our games. It wouldn't have surprised me to see Johnny have a less than Johnny game.
But then he had the best bowl performance ever
But then he had the best bowl performance ever
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:48 pm to Big Kat
I'd take Cam over both in a fricking heartbeat no question about it
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:55 pm to Big Kat
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At this point I might take Cam over either
A guy with size of Tebow, the open field running of JFF, and a better arm than both?
Who in their right mind wouldn't?!
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:56 pm to biggsc
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How would you compare Manziel and Tebow?
I'd probably measure them, time them, watch them lift weights. The standard type of things. If the price is right, I might even contrast them.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:56 pm to Big Kat
I'm not saying he won't come out and light it up again this year, just that he's got to do it before I'll put him on the same level as Tebow.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 4:01 pm to Big Kat
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If I'm trying to objectively compare the two I think I'll take Manziel over Tebow but its close.
So you would pick a one year wonder over a proven winner? Ok
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But if Johnny has improved since last season he's going to jump Cam IMO.
Not going to happen. Cam had it all, he could truck you, out run you and pass the ball. Unless JFF just blows it up the next 2 seasons I don't see him passing Tebow or Cam.
aTm fans just don't realize how good Tebow was as a college QB. After he left Florida went to shite, he carried that team and they don't win two title without him there. If JFF can will aTm to some hardware then we can put him in the same category as Tebow and Cam.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 4:02 pm to biggsc
One was a FB playing QB the other is a QB that can scramble very well.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 4:03 pm to offshoretrash
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he carried that team and they don't win two title without him there.
Right. They just win the one.
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