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re: How Georgia could be ranked No. 1 and not play in SEC title game or get Top 4 CFP seed

Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:58 am to
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:58 am to
Seems like an over reliance on a human poll where there are a bunch of really good 1 loss teams.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:01 am to
Don't lose SEC games and you don't lose control of your destiny. Georgia will be fine in the meantime.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7903 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:02 am to
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a human poll


No potential bias there.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:03 am to
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Hence why no-divisions was predicted to be more harmful than good.

One can criticize divisions, but they were designed to eliminate confusion of the SECCG participants.


I disagree.

Divisions often got an undeserving team in the championship game. I prefer the current system to a situation where a 5-loss team can win a conference title because of divisions being unbalanced (Wisconsin winning the Big 10 in 2012 is an example of the worst case scenario for divisions)

Leaving out a 7-1 conference team for another 7-1 conference team may not be the most correct scenario, but it's at least getting close to the right answer (two best conference teams playing for the conference title). Divisions miss that often as well.

Tennessee should have been the #2 SEC team in 2022, not LSU. A&M instead of UF in 2020. Bama instead of Mizzou in 2013. Bama instead of UGA in 2011. LSU instead of SC in 2010. Auburn instead of UGA in 2005.

Let's not pretend that divisions gets the best matchup right all the time. It works when the two best teams are in different divisions... but only then.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
12797 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:10 am to
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How’s it any different other than # of teams?

The bye weeks. By going to 14 teams, you only get 2 byes instead of 4. You also don't get the #5 seed being more valuable than the #1 seed because of those byes.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51516 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:13 am to
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No potential bias there.


That’s my point. There is bias for Georgia.

The records and tiebreaker rules have no bias. This if they decide UGA doesn’t get a bye then it’s fair.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 10:14 am
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7903 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:16 am to
If divisions allow a 5-loss team can win the CG, WHAT records do others have (keeping in mind the division format had each team play 1/2 the conference)?

But you’re saying you’re fine with the possibility of the #1 team in the country NOT even be the conference champion nor a participant in that game?

& with the non-division setup & the tie-breakers created, we have the potential for multiple teams participate & others eliminated due to random schedules/common opponents. Divisions forced H2H’s to eliminate that.

If 1 is to advocate FOR non-divisions, have a TRUE round-robin schedule where a CG isn’t necessary.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 10:18 am
Posted by LSUbasketballfan
Member since Jan 2021
143 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:17 am to
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The SEC could — and should — insert the CFP rankings as the fourth tiebreaker because teams don’t control their league schedule or how their opponents play.

But teams do control how they play, and that is reflected by the CFP rankings.


I’m sure UGA would be totally ok with Indiana being ranked ahead on them right now.

The CFP, AP, Coaches or whatever other rankings you want to use are all heavily influenced on preseason rankings and performance in previous years and it is good the SEC doesn’t allow any kind of poll to influence the conference championship.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51516 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:20 am to
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all heavily influenced on preseason rankings and performance in previous years


100%

I wish there were no polls until week 6 or later.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:21 am to
If you have 14 teams & 1-4 have byes, that means you have 5 winners of the rest of the teams.

Now you have 9 teams to determine a winner. How is that done?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7903 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:22 am to
I’m saying that humans are biased (either for/against) things/people.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7903 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:25 am to
I’ve wondered why the “pre-season” poll isn’t the final poll of the prior year.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
12797 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:25 am to
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If you have 14 teams & 1-4 have byes, that means you have 5 winners of the rest of the teams.

Now you have 9 teams to determine a winner. How is that done?

14 teams
2 byes
6 games in Round 1

or

16 teams
0 byes
8 games in Round 1

Both are better than 12 teams with 4 byes imo.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 10:27 am
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7903 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:27 am to
Ah.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51516 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:01 pm to
Because the teams drastically change. Look at Michigan. Everyone with a brain saw their drop off.
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
This side of eternity
Member since Jun 2016
10896 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:04 pm to
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Go to 9 games and this fixes itself.


We need this, do away with automatic bids, and require more P4 OOC games.
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
This side of eternity
Member since Jun 2016
10896 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:05 pm to
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Null and void LSU ain’t beating the tide


I’m not sure how you can say this. Alabama is as bipolar as it gets especially on the road.
Posted by Aguga
Southeast
Member since Aug 2021
2631 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:20 pm to
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Go to 9 games and this fixes itself.


No, all this does is likely eliminate a SEC team from the playoffs.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
6379 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:28 pm to
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But you’re saying you’re fine with the possibility of the #1 team in the country NOT even be the conference champion nor a participant in that game?


Yeah, I'm fine with it.

Conference championships aren't about who's the best team in the nation. It's about who navigated the conference schedule the best.

UGA lost the SEC in 2021 and won the national championship. UGA was the best team in the nation. Bama won the SEC.

UGA won the SEC in 2017 and lost the national championship. Bama was the best team in the nation. UGA won the SEC.

Let's not pretend the SEC schedule "got it right" those years. It didn't. The best team lost the SECCG in one year and didn't even make it the other year.

ANY method that doesn't have a full round robin cannot fairly figure out who the best two teams are in a conference, regardless of if it uses divisions or not.

Hell, even a round robin doesn't do that unless all the games are played a neutral site. Playing a team on the road and at home is not the same difficulty.

The reality is the non-divisional setup is better. It will ensure that the teams with the best conference records play. If there's a tie from one of those spots, the team that goes will have the same conference record.

In the divisional setup you can have an 8-0 team from one division play a 5-3 team from a weaker division while a couple of 7-1 teams from the same division as the 8-0 team who both BEAT that 5-3 team end up not being in the championship game.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
3398 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:31 pm to
Frick yeah! Another SemperFiDawg thread!
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