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Has your headcoach underachieved, overachieved, or on par with expectations?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:32 am
This is a question of expectations from when they were hired to where they are now. I'm going to take off my fan hat for a moment and try to look at each objectively. Do you agree or disagree with my assessments?
Nick Saban - Overachieved - Even though he was expected to win a National Championship, I doubt any real Alabama fans expected him to be another icon on the level of Bear Bryant.
Kirby Smart - Overachieved - He was finally able to get past the curse of 1980.
Mark Stoops - Overachieved - Kentucky is getting better every year under Stoops.
Clark Lea - Overachieved - Vandy is playing hard and getting better and it shows.
Lane Kiffin - Overachieved - An NY6 bowl in year 2 is quite an achievement in Oxford, especially as he was taking over for a Matt Luke "coached" team.
Sam Pittman - Overachieved - Nobody expected such a quick turnaround by Arkansas, especially not from a former position coach. He is a true diamond in the rough.
Josh Heupel - On Par - He has brought winning back to Knoxville but has lost games that he should have won too.
Billy Napier - On Par - Not much to judge by this point but he's also low on talent.
Shane Beamer - On Par - He wins some and loses some. That's about what we all expected.
Brian Kelly - On Par - The loss to FSU was predictable but the way that LSU fought back to have a chance to win is a testament of wins to come.
Mike Leach - On Par - MSU isn't the losing program that it once was. Leach came in and is starting to build something in Starkville, still, I would say that where he is at currently was where MSU fans thought they would be by this point.
Eliah Drinkwitz - Underachieved - Mizzou thought they made a homerun hire, me included, but he hasn't shown much improvement.
Jimbo Fisher - Underachieved - He has done well recruiting but last year's finish at 8-4 was a disappointment and this year he has started off with a loss to App State.
Bryan Harsin - Underachieved - Auburn fans were screaming for him to be fired before his first season was in the books. That's telling.
Nick Saban - Overachieved - Even though he was expected to win a National Championship, I doubt any real Alabama fans expected him to be another icon on the level of Bear Bryant.
Kirby Smart - Overachieved - He was finally able to get past the curse of 1980.
Mark Stoops - Overachieved - Kentucky is getting better every year under Stoops.
Clark Lea - Overachieved - Vandy is playing hard and getting better and it shows.
Lane Kiffin - Overachieved - An NY6 bowl in year 2 is quite an achievement in Oxford, especially as he was taking over for a Matt Luke "coached" team.
Sam Pittman - Overachieved - Nobody expected such a quick turnaround by Arkansas, especially not from a former position coach. He is a true diamond in the rough.
Josh Heupel - On Par - He has brought winning back to Knoxville but has lost games that he should have won too.
Billy Napier - On Par - Not much to judge by this point but he's also low on talent.
Shane Beamer - On Par - He wins some and loses some. That's about what we all expected.
Brian Kelly - On Par - The loss to FSU was predictable but the way that LSU fought back to have a chance to win is a testament of wins to come.
Mike Leach - On Par - MSU isn't the losing program that it once was. Leach came in and is starting to build something in Starkville, still, I would say that where he is at currently was where MSU fans thought they would be by this point.
Eliah Drinkwitz - Underachieved - Mizzou thought they made a homerun hire, me included, but he hasn't shown much improvement.
Jimbo Fisher - Underachieved - He has done well recruiting but last year's finish at 8-4 was a disappointment and this year he has started off with a loss to App State.
Bryan Harsin - Underachieved - Auburn fans were screaming for him to be fired before his first season was in the books. That's telling.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:36 am to Landmass
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Kirby Smart - Overachieved - He was finally able to get past the curse of 1980.
overachieving would assume that we never expected him to win a national title, while that's precisely why he was hired and his predecessor fired.
I'd say on par with expectations as he's gotten the program where most fans recognized it could be with the right man in charge.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:39 am to Landmass
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Brian Kelly - On Par - The loss to FSU was predictable but the way that LSU fought back to have a chance to win is a testament of wins to come.
Nahhh, its obviously an extremely small sample size, but rolling out such an under prepared shite show on special teams against FSU cost us a win. Underachieved
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:40 am to WG_Dawg
I kind of agree with that but actually overcoming the NC drought was a big step forward for UGA.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:41 am to WG_Dawg
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overachieving would assume that we never expected him to win a national title, while that's precisely why he was hired and his predecessor fired.
I'd say on par with expectations as he's gotten the program where most fans recognized it could be with the right man in charge.
I actually agree with this. Kirby took over for a guy who got fired for only winning 10 games every year. if anyone ever doubted what the expectations were idk who you are, or how you could be so dense.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:43 am to Landmass
Eliah Drinkwitz:
Recruiting - Slightly over-achieved.
As OC/game day - Big under!
As HC - Under, he owns his record and that's all that matters.
Recruiting - Slightly over-achieved.
As OC/game day - Big under!
As HC - Under, he owns his record and that's all that matters.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:43 am to Landmass
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I kind of agree with that but actually overcoming the NC drought was a big step forward for UGA.
splitting hairs really either way. If we had held on in '17 I'd definitely say overachieve as I doubt anyone would have expected that level of success in year 2. But winning a natty in year 6 I think its on par with what fans would have reasonably expected in 2015.
To dive deeper, I can kinda see the "overachieved" angle based on the totality of what he's done and not just by winning 1 natty. The fact that don't appear to have any hints of a "down year" like Richt had for starters. We are absolutely pummelling everyone else in the east on a yearly basis with no signs of slowing down. Recruiting is top notch, facilites have upgraded, etc. Now that I think about it, I change my answer. I'll say overachieved as well based on all those other factors included.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:43 am to Landmass
Can't argue with any of these, though I would probably have Heupel in overachieved.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:47 am to Basura Blanco
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Nahhh, its obviously an extremely small sample size, but rolling out such an under prepared shite show on special teams against FSU cost us a win. Underachieved
Maybe but I don't think anyone is surprised at a 1-1 start. He also has his team fight back, made adjustments, and corrected the issues week 1 to week 2. For me that grades as on par with expectations.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:48 am to Landmass
How can you label someone after two games as a new HC??? This shite dumb.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:50 am to WG_Dawg
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overachieving would assume that we never expected him to win a national title
I wasn't crazy about the hire to be honest. I wanted someone with head coaching experience. None of Saban's assistants had done much except for Jimbo and he wasn't looking that great without Winston. Obviously, I was wrong. Of course, firing Richt with what he did, anyone taking it would know what was expected. But that doesn't mean all fans expected him to be able to do it. I wouldn't say I thought he couldn't, I just wanted to see him as a head coach first. Glad someone else that makes those decisions knows more than me.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:52 am to Landmass
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Shane Beamer - On Par - He wins some and loses some. That's about what we all expected
I think he's actually overachieved so far. Vegas had South Carolina at 3.5 wins in 2021. Beamer won 7. We'll see what he does this year, but he clearly overachieved in 2021.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:53 am to Landmass
We’ve matched last years win total in the first two weeks
Over
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:59 am to Landmass
quote:I was cautiously optimistic about the hire. Our best years with Bert where with him here and now we see what he can do running the show and so far so good. Even though it probably won't last the year being a Top 10 at this point was unimaginable after going through the Morris years.
Sam Pittman - Overachieved - Nobody expected such a quick turnaround by Arkansas, especially not from a former position coach. He is a true diamond in the rough.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:05 am to Landmass
quote:Disagree. A natty was the expectation. If it wasn't, Richt would have never been sent packing.
Kirby Smart - Overachieved - He was finally able to get past the curse of 1980.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:06 am to csorre1
quote:Week 1 was vs. a P5 team. Week 2 was vs. a HBCU 1AA team.
corrected the issues week 1 to week 2
Week 3 will tell the tale if adjustments were made.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:09 am to Landmass
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Billy Napier - On Par - Not much to judge by this point but he's also low on talent.
"low on talent"
Florida isnt low on talent. They rank fifth in the SEC in overall team talent.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:21 am to Landmass
Heupel took a team that went 3-7 in 2020 and took them to 7-6 in year 1. This with 24+ of our best players transferring out before his first season started and playing with a depleted roster. Some of those transfers went on to be major players for the teams they transferred to (Alabama, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Michigan State, etc)
He took an offense that was ranked 102nd nationally under Pruitt and ended 2021 at the #9 offense in the country.
Took an 11 win, ACC Championship Pitt down to the final play in year 1. Took a 10 win Ole Miss team down to the final play in year 1. Had a competitive game with Bama going into the 4th quarter (31-24) before we ran out of fresh bodies/depth.
Blew out Missouri and South Carolina who most considered on even footing with us.
Beat a Top 25 Kentucky on the road last season. Beat a top 20 Pitt on the road this season. He hasn't had a bad loss since he's been here.
I'm struggling to see how he's just on Par given the mess he walked into/inherited. I'd also be interested in hearing who he's lost to that he should have beat given his circumstances with the mass exodus before the year started.
Dudes been a nice surprise IMO
He took an offense that was ranked 102nd nationally under Pruitt and ended 2021 at the #9 offense in the country.
Took an 11 win, ACC Championship Pitt down to the final play in year 1. Took a 10 win Ole Miss team down to the final play in year 1. Had a competitive game with Bama going into the 4th quarter (31-24) before we ran out of fresh bodies/depth.
Blew out Missouri and South Carolina who most considered on even footing with us.
Beat a Top 25 Kentucky on the road last season. Beat a top 20 Pitt on the road this season. He hasn't had a bad loss since he's been here.
I'm struggling to see how he's just on Par given the mess he walked into/inherited. I'd also be interested in hearing who he's lost to that he should have beat given his circumstances with the mass exodus before the year started.
Dudes been a nice surprise IMO
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:27 am to csorre1
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Maybe but I don't think anyone is surprised at a 1-1 start. He also has his team fight back, made adjustments, and corrected the issues week 1 to week 2. For me that grades as on par with expectations.
I agree with most of this and as someone else said, it is pointless after two games to even make a judgement of any kind. Its just disappointing to lose a close game like that for what has to be considered lack of proper coaching in such a simple facet of the game.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:30 am to WG_Dawg
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I'd say on par with expectations as he's gotten the program where most fans recognized it could be with the right man in charge.
I was about to say this. Everything he's done was expected. Of course, we expected this from the last two coaches before him, too.
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