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re: Greg McElroy claims Saban has underachieved at Alabama on WJOX just now.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:51 am to TheFourHorsemen
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:51 am to TheFourHorsemen
When he first started commentating I liked him, but now he’s fallen in line with every other idiot at ESPN. Just says stupid shite for attention, he’s an idiot.
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Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:54 am to Pulparindo
If you work for Mickey Mouse then you will kiss the azz of the woke crowd or they will find someone that will.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:11 am to Irons Puppet
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Take the Covid and Mulligan years out of the equation and Bama fans would be bitching that Saban really has underachieved on the field. It would be a legit argument based on his recruiting.
Yeah, if you just remove all his titles for arbitrary message board user logic reasons then he would have underachieved!
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:14 am to TheFourHorsemen
#1 recruiting class every year for sure
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:15 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
No doubt.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:22 am to remaster916
Break it down:
2008-Did a good job with the young talent he had. Couldn't get past UF.
2009-Won the NC and really did his best coaching job of his tenure.
2010-Had the best talent in the country, yet lost three games.
2011-Won a NC, but was given a Mulligan after losing at home in November and not even winning his division. Had 7 weeks to prepare for a rematch.
2012-Won a NC against a overrated ND. Still lost at home in November against an average A&M team. Were actually getting blowout at one point.
2013-Had arguable the most talent in the country, but lost to AU and did not play in the SECCG.
2014-Lost to Ole Miss and finished 12-2 with again the best talent in the Country.
2015-Lost to Ole Miss again, but end up winning the NC.
2016-Lost to Clemson in the NCG, but really had the more talented team.
2017-Lost to AU and did not play in the SECCG. Still made the playoffs and had 6 weeks to prepare for the CFP.
2018-Gets blown out by Clemson despite having a more talented team.
2019-Doesn't make the playoffs after losing to LSU and AU.
2020-Covid
You can not argue that Saban assembles the best talent. But his on the field performances can be questioned.
2008-Did a good job with the young talent he had. Couldn't get past UF.
2009-Won the NC and really did his best coaching job of his tenure.
2010-Had the best talent in the country, yet lost three games.
2011-Won a NC, but was given a Mulligan after losing at home in November and not even winning his division. Had 7 weeks to prepare for a rematch.
2012-Won a NC against a overrated ND. Still lost at home in November against an average A&M team. Were actually getting blowout at one point.
2013-Had arguable the most talent in the country, but lost to AU and did not play in the SECCG.
2014-Lost to Ole Miss and finished 12-2 with again the best talent in the Country.
2015-Lost to Ole Miss again, but end up winning the NC.
2016-Lost to Clemson in the NCG, but really had the more talented team.
2017-Lost to AU and did not play in the SECCG. Still made the playoffs and had 6 weeks to prepare for the CFP.
2018-Gets blown out by Clemson despite having a more talented team.
2019-Doesn't make the playoffs after losing to LSU and AU.
2020-Covid
You can not argue that Saban assembles the best talent. But his on the field performances can be questioned.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:32 am to BLG
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I think he just strives too hard to be impartial. Probably figures it will be better for his career.
This would be the answer, plus the need to throw
out a take that generates talk---which seems
to be working, using here as an example.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:35 am to Irons Puppet
I thought the story was JPW was the one bama QB that was a snob, coming from Hoover High, and most alums couldn't stand. That he got the radio gig because of his dad / family? No GM fan either, but didn't he play his high school ball in Texas, which would have his formative years?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:36 am to TheFourHorsemen
I don't get the part about Texas and Oklahoma, but I would agree that Saban has underachieved.
What I mean is that Saban has had the best roster in college football every single season since 2011.
We lost our shot at the title in 2013 because of the Kick 6 - an absolute choke job. This was on Saban.
We lost the title again in 2014 because he started Blake Sims over Jake Coker
We lost in 2016 because he fired Lane Kiffin the week of the national championship game.
We came seconds from losing in 2017 because he refused to start Tua over Jalen Hurts
We lost in 2018 because he promoted Locksley to OC, which turned out to be a terrible idea. He also had Damien Harris starting over Josh Jacobs and Najee Harris...He also forced Tua to play through his injury all season instead of letting Jalen Hurts take over, and letting Tua get to 100%
We lost in 2019 because he never allowed Tua to heal from injury. He forced him to play through it, ultimately leading to his near career-ending injury.
I mean there's 5 titles right there that slipped through our fingers. He probably should've won at least 2 of those.
Of course, it's hard to say shite when he's the best in the business, but he probably should have 2-3 more titles that he let get away
What I mean is that Saban has had the best roster in college football every single season since 2011.
We lost our shot at the title in 2013 because of the Kick 6 - an absolute choke job. This was on Saban.
We lost the title again in 2014 because he started Blake Sims over Jake Coker
We lost in 2016 because he fired Lane Kiffin the week of the national championship game.
We came seconds from losing in 2017 because he refused to start Tua over Jalen Hurts
We lost in 2018 because he promoted Locksley to OC, which turned out to be a terrible idea. He also had Damien Harris starting over Josh Jacobs and Najee Harris...He also forced Tua to play through his injury all season instead of letting Jalen Hurts take over, and letting Tua get to 100%
We lost in 2019 because he never allowed Tua to heal from injury. He forced him to play through it, ultimately leading to his near career-ending injury.
I mean there's 5 titles right there that slipped through our fingers. He probably should've won at least 2 of those.
Of course, it's hard to say shite when he's the best in the business, but he probably should have 2-3 more titles that he let get away
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:37 am to Irons Puppet
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Break it down:
2008-Did a good job with the young talent he had. Couldn't get past UF.
2009-Won the NC and really did his best coaching job of his tenure.
2010-Had the best talent in the country, yet lost three games.
2011-Won a NC, but was given a Mulligan after losing at home in November and not even winning his division. Had 7 weeks to prepare for a rematch.
2012-Won a NC against a overrated ND. Still lost at home in November against an average A&M team. Were actually getting blowout at one point.
2013-Had arguable the most talent in the country, but lost to AU and did not play in the SECCG.
2014-Lost to Ole Miss and finished 12-2 with again the best talent in the Country.
2015-Lost to Ole Miss again, but end up winning the NC.
2016-Lost to Clemson in the NCG, but really had the more talented team.
2017-Lost to AU and did not play in the SECCG. Still made the playoffs and had 6 weeks to prepare for the CFP.
2018-Gets blown out by Clemson despite having a more talented team.
2019-Doesn't make the playoffs after losing to LSU and AU.
2020-Covid
You can not argue that Saban assembles the best talent. But his on the field performances can be questioned.
Break it down:
2007 - 7-6
2008 - 12-2
2009 - 14-0 (SEC and BCS National Champion)
2010 - 10-3
2011 - 12-1 (BCS National Champion)
2012 - 13-1 (SEC and BCS National Champion)
2013 - 11-2
2014 - 12-2 (SEC Champion)
2015 - 14-1 (SEC and CFP National Champion)
2016 - 14-1 (SEC Champion)
2017- 13-1 (CFP National Champion)
2018 - 14-1 (SEC Champion)
2019 - 11-2
2020 - 13-0 (SEC Champion and CFP National Champion)
If it is so easy when you always recruit at a high level then why do all these other schools doing the same thing have 23 losses in 14 seasons, 7 conference titles, and 6 national titles? Ain't like there is a big difference between being 1-5 in the recruiting rankings on the balance due to misses, transfers, and unexpected high performers anyway.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:40 am to TheFourHorsemen
Thanks a lot Greg…you just motivated the dark lord to coach 10 more years.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:41 am to Diego Ricardo
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f it is so easy when you always recruit at a high level then why do all these other schools doing the same thing have 23 losses in 14 seasons, 7 conference titles, and 6 national titles? Ain't like there is a big difference between being 1-5 in the recruiting rankings on the balance due to misses, transfers, and unexpected high performers anyway.
You are missing the point of underachieving. When you have such a talent gap, you should win those games. Saban has lost to some talent inferior teams over his tenure. He was saved by the committee a few times because they bought into that talent and assumed those loses were a major anomaly. That would not have happened 30 years ago, ask Bobby Bowden.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:54 am to Irons Puppet
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You are missing the point of underachieving. When you have such a talent gap, you should win those games. Saban has lost to some talent inferior teams over his tenure. He was saved by the committee a few times because they bought into that talent and assumed those loses were a major anomaly. That would not have happened 30 years ago, ask Bobby Bowden.
And I'm saying the talent gap is overstated much like everything about Saban's dominance. He hasn't lost to an unranked team since the ULM game in 2007. Losing to ranked teams - and not just ranked but often top 15 or better - teams is beyond the pale.
Y'all act like nobody else in the SEC got players or something. Truly just a cucked mindset. This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:06 pm to Keltic Tiger
In the interview process McElroy did not know anything about Alabama history. JPW grew up in Alabama knew history.
Southlake Carroll is a much wealthy area than Hoover.
Southlake Carroll is a much wealthy area than Hoover.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:08 pm to CrimsonClover
Greatest run ever and still not good enough.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:28 pm to Diego Ricardo
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And I'm saying the talent gap is overstated much like everything about Saban's dominance. He hasn't lost to an unranked team since the ULM game in 2007. Losing to ranked teams - and not just ranked but often top 15 or better - teams is beyond the pale. Y'all act like nobody else in the SEC got players or something. Truly just a cucked mindset.
How many true upsets do you see in the SEC, where a Top 5 team loses to an unranked team ? Top 10 losing to an unranked team ? I doesn't happen. In the SEC any good matchup will have a ranked team vs a ranked team almost on a weekly basis. At the end of the year some teams will still be ranked but are not worthy of the ranking.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:29 pm to TheFourHorsemen
One of the hottest takes of all time.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:03 pm to Irons Puppet
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How many true upsets do you see in the SEC, where a Top 5 team loses to an unranked team ? Top 10 losing to an unranked team ? I doesn't happen. In the SEC any good matchup will have a ranked team vs a ranked team almost on a weekly basis. At the end of the year some teams will still be ranked but are not worthy of the ranking.
Didn’t Georgia lose to SCAR a few years ago w/ Fromm at QB (2019)? They went 12-2, played in the SECCG, and won the Sugar Bowl over #7 Baylor.
Edit: forgot about Shoe Throw Seen Around the World LSU over Florida game just last year.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:21 pm to TheFourHorsemen
Going undefeated with Greg McElroy as his starting QB is Saban's greatest coaching accomplishment even moreso than his seven national championships and his 98 game winning streak against unranked opponents.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:42 pm to Bench McElroy
At least give him some credit for the SECC game, outplayed Tebow and was the MVP.
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