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Former SEC coach zeroes in on Tennessee's problem

Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:34 am
Posted by Tidemeister
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:34 am
Ellis Johnson on the Gary Harris show this morning and he details what ails Tenn, it's not just about Pruitt, but the bigger picture. Very insightful.

Click link for site and then scroll down to The Gary Harris show. Look for Ellis Johnson, Sept. 5, 20019. Use the audio slider and start at mark 13:10.

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Posted by thelawnwranglers
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:35 am to
Cliffs
Posted by Landmass
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:37 am to
You'll never believe what happens next...

What is this, Facebook? Just tell us bro.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:37 am to
Ellis Johnson

Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:38 am to
Read as

"Former SEC Coach Zero is Tennessee's problem"

Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:40 am to
quote:

he details what ails Tenn


If he didn't say "Philip Fulmer" then he is horribly wrong...
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:45 am to
I'm not clicking on your link but the answer is culture, plain and simple. There's no buy in. Without buy in and senior leadership you aren't going to succeed.


Pruitt's situation isn't THAT much different than kirby's. Both were career coordinators with a saban background that were elite defensive minds. Lights out recruiters. Hard nosed personalities. Kirby inhherited a better roster, no doubt there, although it's nothing like what is in athens now. The complete apathy around the program after 2015 when richt left was all consuming. AGain we were in a bit better shape than UT was 2 years ago, but there are still parallels.

Kirby went 8-5 in 2016 with losses to vandy and tech and a near loss to nichols state at home. AGain, not much different than pruitt (both also beat gus, of course). The big difference is kirby convinced the team that all the work they'd done the last year and a half was for a purpose and got htem to buy in. The talented juniors that could have left early decided to stay and it paid off wiht a magical 2017 and off we go. For whatever reason, pruitt isn't getting the buy-in.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:48 am to
I disagree with that. He sounds like he is covering for his buddy Pruitt by saying the cupboard is bare. They are definitely more talented then Georgia State, and if you watched the game at all, there were several times you could tell the effort wasn't there. That is coaching and motivating.

That said this could be a one game problem or maybe worse. Everyone says Pruitt is a proven coach, but being a head coach is not the same as being a position coach or coordinator.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:51 am to
quote:

AGain we were in a bit better shape than UT was 2 years ago, but there are still parallels.



UGA won 10 games the year before Kirby took over, with a top 10 finish the year before that. VOLS literally had their worst season in history the year before Pruitt.
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:52 am to
Ellis Johnson took Southern Miss to their worst season in school history 0-12
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:56 am to
All I know is before Saban at LSU, several teams were coming into LA and cherrypickking whoever they wanted and one of those relying on those players was Tennessee.

Had Lane Kiffin stayed at Tenn he may have gotten some more players out of LA with O and Frank Wilson on staff.

Tenn doesn't have the recruiting base to sustain it like they used to.

Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:57 am to
quote:

UGA won 10 games the year before Kirby took over


wiht one of the worst offenses in decades.

-we were shellacked by bmaa
-we lost to TN
-we beat mizz 9-6 with neither team scoring a TD
-we beat AU despite scoring 1 TD on offense
-we needed OVERTIME to beat ga southern
-we beat gt despite scoring 1 TD

sure we won 10 games but many of them were low scoring squeakers that we somehow hung on to win despite not being able to score touchdowns. And again, I acknowledged we were in better shape overall but tehre are definite similarities. And in kirby's first year in 2016 we did lose 5 games including some really bad ones, that '16 season wasn't all that much better than pruitt's first season.

eta: my whole point remains the same though, that kirby got the kids (and seniors) to buy into what he was preaching. Pruitt hasn't done that.
This post was edited on 9/5/19 at 10:58 am
Posted by Mr. Blutarski
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Oct 2012
1756 posts
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:12 am to
Couldn't care less what that sorry arse frick has to say. He took a 12-1 Southern Miss team that finished 13th in the country to 0-12.

Worst hire in the history of college football.

ELLLLLLLLLLLLos
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Former SEC coach
An assistant position coach?

Well, I forgot the memorable stint he had as head coach at Southern Miss.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39963 posts
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Pruitt's situation isn't THAT much different than kirby's


I agree to an extent. It appears that Kirby pretty much has complete control over his program while Pruitt has to answer to higher ups a lot more.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:49 am to
You can't blame a loss to Georgia State on talent...sorry. That team looked poorly coached and gave zero fricks about getting blasted by a program they should beat by 40+.

That's on coaching
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37573 posts
Posted on 9/5/19 at 12:16 pm to
EJ is a narcissistic dick. Not taking up for UTk but frick EJ.
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 12:16 pm to
Ellis Johnson is an expert on failure.
Posted by bamabaum
Montgomery, AL
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

Former SEC coach zeroes in on Tennessee's problem

Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 9/5/19 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

UGA won 10 games the year before Kirby took over, with a top 10 finish the year before that


Team was a joke that got embarrassed by Bama and UF and didn't even finish in the top 25.

The 2015 senior class was was one of the worst in UGA history and zero players drafted.
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