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re: Enough with the SHOE toss! Dude kicked a "57" yd fg
Posted on 12/17/20 at 12:24 pm to Broncothor
Posted on 12/17/20 at 12:24 pm to Broncothor
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I am not responding to your following post. You stated your case, I disagreed and stated mine.
Well its wrong
They had all the time in the world to make that kick.
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 12:36 pm to Todd Greene
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Sure and they might of fumbled the catch, couldn't they?
It got to a point with the fog that the punt returners weren’t even trying to catch the ball.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 12:40 pm to lsupride87
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We had 25 seconds, thats an eternity, there was no real rush. The timeout allowed mullens team to get in FG range with an opportunity to tie the game
Makes you wonder why teams take delay of game penalties when they have a 40 second play clock.
Keltic Tiger is right. In a game there is a certain amount of "fog of war" involved. All kinds of confusion going on. Players are running all over the place. the kicker has to get the holder set, lineup the kick and then make the kick. All of that is difficult to do in 25 seconds. The kicker has no time left to settle in and get ready. Florida gave the kicker and kick team time to get on the field in position and make the kick. That was bigger than many on here realize apparently.
Remember it was 57 yards in a thick fog in an away game in a rush. If they were hurrying to get the kick off I would have bet just about anything he would have missed giving Florida the ball at their own 40 yard line (About) with a timeout. They would have only had to get 25-30 yards for a makeable FG.
Let's put it like this. How many 57 yard field goals are made in the country in a given year? How many are even attempted under perfect conditions much less the conditions they were playing in?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 12:45 pm to Todd Greene
Epic. Did anyone see him pretend to shoot ice in his veins right before coming onto the field to kick it? I had a good feeling after that ;-)
Posted on 12/17/20 at 12:46 pm to CBandits82
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was impossible and he nailed it.
A handful at best make it under ideal field conditions, fewer still make it under the whole of the pressures.
UF has a good PK at home who was kicking 6 yards closer, at home, into slightly better visibility with less light pollution and distraction, and possibly a bit more pressure needing it to tie. He didn't replicate it.
Truly a classic moment for SEC and LSU sports. Need the ball in a trophy case with Cade's kicking shoe on one side and the thrown cleat on the other in LSUs sports museum.
And, Gator and Tiger fans are missing an opportunity if throwing your shoe (or a snuck in shoe) onto the field after the LSU-UF game for the winner doesn't become the rivalry tradition from here forward.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 12:51 pm to UpToPar
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We had plenty of time to run out our FG unit. I think there was 25 seconds or so on the clock when he called the TO.
I don't understand why so many people don't realize that it is a very common occurrence for teams to get called for delay of game and that is with 40 seconds to run a play. To do the same with 25 seconds would absolutely be rushed. Watch highlights of any game and see how much time is left on the clock when the kick is made. I think you will be surprised.
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I just watched two random FG attempts and in one there was 10 seconds left on the clock (meaning they used 30 seconds to get on the field and get set up) and in the other (a rushed situation) they left 22 seconds on the play clock meaning they use 28 seconds to get set up and kick.
Having 27 seconds is a rushed FG attempt.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 1:38 pm to Todd Greene
Those bright arse lights were amplified but the fog too. Very impressive kick.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 1:46 pm to RBWilliams8
The shoe through just let LSU have another chance. So it "lost" the game in that respect.
But the dude still had to make the kick, and it was spectacular. It was the only time I can remember cheering for LSU.
I do agree, I hate that the asshat overshadows the hero.
But the dude still had to make the kick, and it was spectacular. It was the only time I can remember cheering for LSU.
I do agree, I hate that the asshat overshadows the hero.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 1:53 pm to DawgsLife
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I just watched two random FG attempts and in one there was 10 seconds left on the clock (meaning they used 30 seconds to get on the field and get set up) and in the other (a rushed situation) they left 22 seconds on the play clock meaning they use 28 seconds to get set up and kick.
I think you're getting the NFL and college play clocks confused.
ETA: There was plenty of time, even on the actual attempt, they weren't hurried at all and it still took less than 10 seconds to get set and run the play.
They had 27 seconds remaining before Florida called timeout and the field goal team was already on the field about to get set.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I think you're getting the NFL and college play clocks confused.
Always a possibility. Isn't there 40 seconds on the play clock for college?
But there was only 25 or 27 seconds left in the game for LSU/Florida, so he only had 25 or so seconds to get on the field and kick the FG. (Maybe I didn't word it clearly.)
I watched two FGs kicked in random Georgia highlights on YouTube. In one there was 22 seconds left on the play clock and the other there was 10 seconds left on the 40 second clock.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:50 pm to DawgsLife
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Always a possibility. Isn't there 40 seconds on the play clock for college?
Starts at 25 seconds on the whistle.
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But there was only 25 or 27 seconds left in the game for LSU/Florida, so he only had 25 or so seconds to get on the field and kick the FG. (Maybe I didn't word it clearly.)
They were already on the field in place, just not set with 27 seconds remaining.
On the actual kick, they weren't rushing at all and still it took less than 10 seconds to get set and snap the ball.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:53 pm to SidewalkTiger
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They had 27 seconds remaining before Florida called timeout and the field goal team was already on the field about to get set.
While true, the clock was down to 21 seconds (they reset it to 27) and the defense was not close to being set up. The FG team was still getting settled. I mean, you might be right, but with all the circumstances of fog, lights, distance....I would have taken the chance if I were Mullen. That said, he makes a ton more money than I do to make those decisions, and for a reason.
Honestly? By the time the defense got set and the FG team got completely set, I suspect he might have had 10-12 seconds left, maybe. Depends. If I am coaching Florida I tell my defense to take their time setting up to put a little more rush and pressure on the kicker. but that's me. Like I said...there is a reason I am not coaching. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Starts at 25 seconds on the whistle.
Really? Man. I don't watch the NFL. I could have sworn there was 40 seconds.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:56 pm to Che Boludo
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Interesting fact: balls carry further in fog and humid environments
Is that why balls fly out of the park in thin dry air like say in Denver?
I've never heard kicks go further in humid wet air.
Maybe baseballs have a different physics dynamic.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:56 pm to DawgsLife
Merlins made the right decision, he has time on the clock whether or not LSU makes the kick.
I'm sure LSU knew it'd be a rushed kick based on their playcall and probably set all that up during their timeout. O knew Merlins would either take his own timeout or they'd get the kick off in time.
Neither really made a bad decision with their timeouts in hindsight.
I'm sure LSU knew it'd be a rushed kick based on their playcall and probably set all that up during their timeout. O knew Merlins would either take his own timeout or they'd get the kick off in time.
Neither really made a bad decision with their timeouts in hindsight.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:59 pm to DawgsLife
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If I am coaching Florida I tell my defense to take their time setting up to put a little more rush and pressure on the kicker. but that's me.
If you rewatch the play, LSU is visibly confused but thats because the ref wont let them snap the ball because of the timeout. I think they easily get it off in time.
I think O was hoping to run the time off the clock then kick.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Merlins made the right decision, he has time on the clock whether or not LSU makes the kick.
You may be right. Like I said...hindsight is 20/20 and it is always easier to sit back in a comfortabel chair and second guess a coach.
I'll bow to your superior wisdom.
I was watching the game with my brother who is a HUGE LSU fan. We were both pulling for LSU in this one. It was a good game with everything that went on. I don'yt think we will ever see another interception like the bouncer we saw in that game, and then the shoe throw and long FG in the fog just etched that game into Classic territory.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:10 pm to Todd Greene
Is that as impressive as the A&M kicker hitting a 41 yarder as he was falling on his arse against LSU?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:11 pm to DawgsLife
If you look out and see the entire field goal unit on the field with 25 seconds remaining, ready to get set, you have to assume they're going to let the clock tick down then kick with nothing left.
Its a low percentage field goal anyway and 25 seconds is an eternity against the LSU defense, especially with where they would've had the ball with two timeouts remaining and a great kicker of their own.
In my opinion, there's just a much higher potential reward to the risk.
Its a low percentage field goal anyway and 25 seconds is an eternity against the LSU defense, especially with where they would've had the ball with two timeouts remaining and a great kicker of their own.
In my opinion, there's just a much higher potential reward to the risk.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:17 pm to SidewalkTiger
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If you look out and see the entire field goal unit on the field with 25 seconds remaining, ready to get set, you have to assume they're going to let the clock tick down then kick with nothing left.
Its a low percentage field goal anyway and 25 seconds is an eternity against the LSU defense, especially with where they would've had the ball with two timeouts remaining and a great kicker of their own.
In my opinion, there's just a much higher potential reward to the risk.
You changed my mind, sir! That's not easy to do. Just ask my wife!
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