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Doctor on why college football should commence. fwiw
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:16 am
Dr. Atlas is a Sr. Fellow at Stanford.
Dr. Scott Atlas on why college football should be played-
“We’re talking about people who are physical specimens & young. Young people w/o a comorbidity have virtually zero risk. We have to be rational here. The risk for this age is less than the seasonal flu. You can’t .say it’s all about the science & then act contrary to science”
*from a recent interview with @marthamaccallum
Dr. Scott Atlas on why college football should be played-
“We’re talking about people who are physical specimens & young. Young people w/o a comorbidity have virtually zero risk. We have to be rational here. The risk for this age is less than the seasonal flu. You can’t .say it’s all about the science & then act contrary to science”
*from a recent interview with @marthamaccallum
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:17 am to Tidemeister
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You can’t .say it’s all about the science & then act contrary to science”
Except that's exactly what's happening.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:17 am to Tidemeister
Panic mob gonna disappear this guy.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:17 am to Tidemeister
He will be canceled shortly and stripped of his licenses and degrees. Orange man bad! Shut it down!
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 11:21 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:18 am to Tidemeister
Yes, and other doctors agree with him.
And other doctors don't agree with him.
And still others don't think there is a right or wrong answer.
It is what it is at this point. Every organization and individual is going to take the data they see and make their own decisions based on their own situations.
Also - Atlas has been on TV for 4 months saying this stuff. He's very much in the "time to get on with it" camp.
And other doctors don't agree with him.
And still others don't think there is a right or wrong answer.
It is what it is at this point. Every organization and individual is going to take the data they see and make their own decisions based on their own situations.
Also - Atlas has been on TV for 4 months saying this stuff. He's very much in the "time to get on with it" camp.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 11:22 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:18 am to Tidemeister
Doesn't fit the political agenda, so this DR cannot be listened to.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:22 am to Tidemeister
I think I agree, but (I am probably showing my ignorance here) do we really know that much about Covid morbidity? I realize we have a lot of data on who is dying (or not dying) immediately during the illness, but aren’t there cases of serious heart conditions popping up with recovered Covid patients including young patients?
My point isn’t that we shouldn’t play football, I just wonder if this will be like the first responders in 9/11 who started dying 5–10 years afterward because of long term complications. We don’t know what (if any) long term complications will surface from Covid.
I’m obviously not a doctor, and if someone wants to tell me that long term complications don’t occur after a virus leaves your system, I’m happy to listen
My point isn’t that we shouldn’t play football, I just wonder if this will be like the first responders in 9/11 who started dying 5–10 years afterward because of long term complications. We don’t know what (if any) long term complications will surface from Covid.
I’m obviously not a doctor, and if someone wants to tell me that long term complications don’t occur after a virus leaves your system, I’m happy to listen
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:31 am to AllbyMyRelf
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I think I agree, but (I am probably showing my ignorance here) do we really know that much about Covid morbidity? I realize we have a lot of data on who is dying (or not dying) immediately during the illness, but aren’t there cases of serious heart conditions popping up with recovered Covid patients including young patients?
My point isn’t that we shouldn’t play football, I just wonder if this will be like the first responders in 9/11 who started dying 5–10 years afterward because of long term complications. We don’t know what (if any) long term complications will surface from Covid.
I’m obviously not a doctor, and if someone wants to tell me that long term complications don’t occur after a virus leaves your system, I’m happy to listen
Those things are things that have a chance of happening with many virus, including the flu.
I don't follow other schools, but I know it's something that Alabama checks for and would take care of before allowing any player on the field. It was expected, so it didn't come as a shock that it was possible.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:33 am to Tidemeister
Yeah but all medical officials are liars being used by the politicians, remember? Or does that only work one way?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:34 am to Tidemeister
Too bad we dont have more politicians with logic
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:35 am to Tidemeister
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Dr. Atlas is a Sr. Fellow at Stanford.
Dr. Scott Atlas on why college football should be played-
“We’re talking about people who are physical specimens & young. Young people w/o a comorbidity have virtually zero risk. We have to be rational here. The risk for this age is less than the seasonal flu. You can’t .say it’s all about the science & then act contrary to science”
*from a recent interview with @marthamaccallum
I've been a fan of his since this all started and have been following along. He doesn't care about the politics of things and just gives people the facts and information.
Apparently Trump has added him to the "Covid Task Force", which is a good thing.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:36 am to 3down10
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Those things are things that have a chance of happening with many virus, including the flu.
Yes, but the flu has been around a lot longer and so we know the rate at which long term complications occur. Does the fact that Covid is brand new not change the risk calculation? Or maybe it does, but it’s still so remote that we choose to play anyway—that’s fine with me, I just don’t want to ignore it.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:38 am to Tidemeister
Dr.s are all over the place.
Dr. Carlos Del Rio, who is on the covid-19 advisory panel for the NCAA and is the Executive Associate Dean at Emory, said this...........
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so it seems even medical experts are not on the same page. I just wonder how many of these Dr.s have actually studied the virus?
Dr. Carlos Del Rio, who is on the covid-19 advisory panel for the NCAA and is the Executive Associate Dean at Emory, said this...........
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Dr. Carlos Del Rio, a chief medical advisor for the NCAA and Emory University professor, likened the possibility of playing football this fall to being on the Titanic. “We have a serious problem. I feel like the Titanic: we have hit the iceberg and we’re trying to make decision on when the band should play,’ Del Rio said during a briefing with the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
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Part of what is driving the fear among medical experts is the relationship between myocarditis and COVID-19 in athletes. Myocarditis, a viral inflammation of the heart, has been linked to COVID-19 in athletes. Doctor Jonathan Kim at Emory University said that the data on myocarditis and COVID-19 is still coming in, but the condition can have serious consequences for athletes including being off the field for three to six months during recovery.
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Dr. Colleen Kraft, another of the NCAA’s medical advisors, told the same briefing about her concerns with myocarditis and COVID-19, “I think we’re playing with fire. One case or myocarditis in an athlete is too many.” So far, the NCAA said they are aware of about a dozen cases of COVID-19-related myocarditis in college athletes this year.
LINK
so it seems even medical experts are not on the same page. I just wonder how many of these Dr.s have actually studied the virus?
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 11:41 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:40 am to Tidemeister
Problem is that lawyers are making the recommendations that the schools will listening to in terms of liability.
That said, if a school offers no penalties or threatens loss of aid or support to athletes while also offering them a waiver to opt-in and assume risk; not sure of the issues.
In military basic training right now, less fit and ready kids are testing positive, placed in a quarantine Bay for 10-14 days beyond symptoms and then returned to training without restriction.
Problem with that model is the high contagion rate and 85%+ population of asymptomatic results among the positive test population. So, a spike in a team could lead to a forfeit.
Fewer games with 2-3 week gaps in the season is still better than no football.
That said, if a school offers no penalties or threatens loss of aid or support to athletes while also offering them a waiver to opt-in and assume risk; not sure of the issues.
In military basic training right now, less fit and ready kids are testing positive, placed in a quarantine Bay for 10-14 days beyond symptoms and then returned to training without restriction.
Problem with that model is the high contagion rate and 85%+ population of asymptomatic results among the positive test population. So, a spike in a team could lead to a forfeit.
Fewer games with 2-3 week gaps in the season is still better than no football.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:46 am to Tidemeister
The chances of them dying are very low.
I an Slightly concerned about the linemen who while in good shape For their size are still obese by definition.
I know Obesity was a big comorbidity.
I an Slightly concerned about the linemen who while in good shape For their size are still obese by definition.
I know Obesity was a big comorbidity.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:48 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Yes, but the flu has been around a lot longer and so we know the rate at which long term complications occur. Does the fact that Covid is brand new not change the risk calculation? Or maybe it does, but it’s still so remote that we choose to play anyway—that’s fine with me, I just don’t want to ignore it.
It doesn't matter what the risk of getting it is, you test everyone who has recovered from it.
It's easily detectable.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:48 am to Tidemeister
Goodbye Fauci, hello Dr Atlas. #Nov4
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:52 am to 3down10
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It doesn't matter what the risk of getting it is, you test everyone who has recovered from it.
Wait, what? Are you saying the risk of an athlete developing myocarditis from Covid shouldn’t affect our policy on playing?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:52 am to Centinel
We are watching people take internet stories and allowing them to drive public policy. When you produce mortality rates vs similar viruses, you are labeled a conspiracy theorists. It is like we are reliving the Salem witch trials.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:59 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Yes, but the flu has been around a lot longer and so we know the rate at which long term complications occur. Does the fact that Covid is brand new not change the risk calculation?
It doesn’t. We have learned a lot since March
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