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David Shaw on Bryce Young’s Big NIL Deals: “Is this what we want college football to be?”

Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:14 pm
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"My gut reaction is in multiple levels," Shaw said. "First of all, Nick Saban is smarter than any 10 of us in this room combined. And so, there's no way that that was just a throw-in. It's obvious to me — Nick wanted to plant that and make sure people knew that. It's a great way to recruit people to come to you, which the guy hasn't started a college football game and he's already signed a whole bunch of deals to make money. To me, I don't think that's what this whole thing is supposed to be about. I don't believe that that is true market value. I believe that's Alabama value. But that's not market value for an individual, which is what this is supposed to be about.

"I'm not saying it's wrong. In my mind, when I look at this, it is a combination of your personality, who you are and what you've accomplished in order to create opportunities for yourself. And that, to me, is kind of putting the cart before the horse and it's all legal — it's fine now. Nick mentioning that at the media day is a great way to kickstart your recruiting, especially if you're recruiting another high-caliber quarterback — as we all know that they are. So it wasn't accidental. Many of us around college football just shrugged our shoulders and said, 'Is this really what we want to be doing?' I wonder about the people who are engaging in high-value deals like that — because I know a lot of business people and I wonder what the return is on that investment. That's a major investment. This is a high-dollar-value investment. What are they getting back from that? Because over time, that's not a wise thing to do, business-wise, is to give a college athlete a whole bunch of money, if you're not getting anything in the immediate return.

"So as many people, like kind of chuckled when I saw that. There will be very few people around the country that will have those opportunities. And I wonder, too, after this era right now — this year where these things happen — if people will continue to do that going forward, because I still wonder, 'What do you get back from giving a student-athlete a whole bunch of money? Does that help your business?' If it does, great. But if that's not a great business model for you, then how is that sustainable? So that's part of what we all knew was going to happen. There are going to be a few of those stories over this year. My guess is there will be fewer of those stories in the following year. There will be more, in particular, those juniors and seniors that are established, that have a chance to go on to do something beyond college football — those, to me, are the ones that will have those deals. Not guys who haven't started a game yet."


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This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 6:15 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:15 pm to
Let's talk about Stanfords 28 billion dollar endowment. Do we really want one university to yield that much power?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62724 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:16 pm to
I believe the NIL was pushed by California type liberals more than any other group.
Take any issue up with your own state residents.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:21 pm to
Ehh endowments can be overrated. People make the same mistake with billionaires; they see their wealth and assume that’s all in cash. Sure they have a bunch of assets, but how much of that is liquid?

What good is that wealth for a university if it’s not really being used to improve the university?
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
2146 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:21 pm to
This is exactly what everyone who had any understanding of the culture in football hotbed areas like Alabama and Texas predicted would happen, but the people who claimed that college athletes were being exploited by only receiving stipends, room, board, clothing, medical care, and free tuition that other people sometimes need decades to repay won out.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22532 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:22 pm to
Anytime I read articls like this I think:

WHAT THE frick DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?

Posted by escatawpabuckeye
Member since Jan 2013
954 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:39 pm to
Well let’s be fair - I don’t think Shaw was leading the looney parade in the California state legislature.

But umm yeah the genie is out of the bottle now. Good bye any traces of old college football.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:41 pm to
You missed the whole point, but okay.
Posted by X
Member since Jun 2010
3516 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:55 pm to
This guy is questioning if sponsorships work
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:04 pm to
Yea, like with everything else, Saban told you what was gonna happen. You didn't listen. Now you lose. Again.

Not sorry one fvckin bit.
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3740 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:09 pm to
I'm waiting for someone to just have a big sack and just straight up say "you will make the most money in the country with us". I'm thinking about walking into Belmont and seeing how I can arrange some deals.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118907 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:13 pm to
NIL and consolidation will be the downfall of college sports.
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3740 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:19 pm to
They unironically want to kill football. They're the same people who cry about how universities spend $XXXXX on athletics but only $XXXX on education or whatever.

I don't think that this was all some master plan or anything though because they're too dumb to think that far ahead. They just got lucky.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 7:20 pm
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:21 pm to
It’s funny, all these ideas get pushed out whether it’s the NIL, free market transfers, etc and Saban warns against it. He talks about unintended consequences. He gets ignored. Then Saban turns each of those things around and makes his program more dominant. Thanks, guys. We will enjoy a few more trophies.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:24 pm to
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Not sorry one fvckin bit.


You can say frickin on the internet, sir.
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3740 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:27 pm to
I don't think these people understand how much this is going to impact the sport. Like all this shite talk that we're saying now is irrelevant. It's a new era.

You want proof? Go look at our basketball transfers for this season. We pulled in like 5-6 guys and it instantly put us to a top 3 team in the country.

There's gonna be a lot of cross team scouting going on too that bagmen can funnel to other teams because of the one time transfer rule. You could actually have farm teams.

Whoever abuses this stuff the most is going to win the most championships. Texas was actually somewhat prissy with paying players, so now that it's legal this is a huge opportunity for us.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 7:28 pm
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:31 pm to
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To me, I don't think that's what this whole thing is supposed to be about. I don't believe that that is true market value. I believe that's Alabama value.


This makes no sense. A market value in Alabama is market value; it’s what a market pays. Same thing with Baton Rouge market or Austin market
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3740 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:33 pm to
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Because over time, that's not a wise thing to do, business-wise, is to give a college athlete a whole bunch of money, if you're not getting anything in the immediate return.


Does Shaw not understand the concept of advertising? Does he realize the amount of money people pay for instagram influencers?

I'm starting to think that even the coaches don't realize what this is gonna turn into.
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7486 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:53 pm to
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This makes no sense. A market value in Alabama is market value; it’s what a market pays. Same thing with Baton Rouge market or Austin market


Not necessarily. It makes you wonder who is giving the kid that much money. A company that thinks it’s a good investment, or a booster trying to take care of players. Would you eat Golden Flake chips because some kid was on the commercial? In Alabama you would be better off using a Namath or a Barkley for true impact.


Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
3740 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:06 pm to
This is why national exposure matters so much and that's a big part of why we're joining the SEC. It gives you a national platform. That's where you can rake in some big bucks advertising. It's not so much about the endorsements as it is exposure.

I can imagine Vince Young shouting out The Cheesecake Factory after winning a title This is so much horseshite.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 8:09 pm
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