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re: Dana Holgorsen: Every Power 5 conference should play a nine game conference schedule
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:07 pm to meansonny
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:07 pm to meansonny
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But rotating schedules faster can be done without a 9th game.
I'm curious as to HOW you can go through a rotation faster WITHOUT adding a conf. game. I'm under the impression that C/D Rivalries remain.
& if your suggestions is "no divisions", it's already getting a "HELL NO" vote from me.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:08 pm to meansonny
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I love the idea of playing teams more. But I really don't need kentucky, vandy, missouri, etc. on an annual basis.
Exactly! I feel the same re: Arkansas and Texas A&M. But LSU has ties to them (at least more so than we do). And Arkansas has ties to Missouri (at least more than anyone else) and A&M.
If you can basically give each team a pod of games (like I said above, this idea has been whiteboarded out all over the place and it is extremely feasible and equitable) that they WANT each year and that make sense, then you can mass rotate the rest. You end up playing everyone in the league almost on a yearly rotation. It accomplishes all the goals.
However, ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
Oh well, we can dream can't we.
Also, I am extremely jealous of UGA and LSU's handling of their OOC schedule (H/H and NS mix). I despise our yearly neutral site parade. It screws me as a season ticket holder and it just sucks in general.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:09 pm to southernboisb
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I'm curious as to HOW you can go through a rotation faster WITHOUT adding a conf. game. I'm under the impression that C/D Rivalries remain. & if your suggestions is "no divisions", it's already getting a "HELL NO" vote from me.
Yea, basically has to be done without divisions. Or with 4 divisions. Can't be done in the current format.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If you go to 9 games, when UGA/UF/USC/UK have 4 Home conf. games, they HOST their ACC rival. That guarantees 5 home games MINIMUM.
I'd take Bama and Auburn to the East. We can trade Vandy and Mizzou to the West.
But that still doesn't speed up the schedule rotation. Pods are the way to go. Or 3 permanent games.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:15 pm to meansonny
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I'd take Bama and Auburn to the East. We can trade Vandy and Mizzou to the West.
I've been begging for this for years. I don't care that the East would be stacked. The weekly games would be amazing. And, our only longstanding Western rivals (with Auburn moving East) are State and, sort of, LSU. And, no offense to State, I do not care.
Alabama-Georgia, Alabama-Florida, Alabama-Tennessee and Alabama-Auburn every year? Gives me the feelins.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Also, I am extremely jealous of UGA and LSU's handling of their OOC schedule (H/H and NS mix). I despise our yearly neutral site parade. It screws me as a season ticket holder and it just sucks in general
I recognize the advantages. Recruiting. Payday. National audience. More flexibility in scheduling (i.e. not having to rematch and go on to the next big opponent. Or in our situation, scheduling a soft opener the year before or after).
Weve had the neutral site games against UNC and Boise State and they are a fun change. But I can see it getting old.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:17 pm to meansonny
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I recognize the advantages. Recruiting. Payday. National audience. More flexibility in scheduling (i.e. not having to rematch and go on to the next big opponent. Or in our situation, scheduling a soft opener the year before or after).
Sure, so do I. I understand the reasoning behind it, especially at the beginning (2009-2012ish). However, I think at some point you have to admit that we are at the pinnacle, don't necessarily need that game in Dallas for recruiting EVERY year and throw the fans a bone.
However, the guy in charge doesn't give up advantages for non-winning things like fans having fun. And, if he did, he wouldn't be the guy he is. So I get it.
I still don't like it
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:19 pm to Bench McElroy
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I mean Alabama and South Carolina haven't played each other since 2010
You just want to embarrass us for payback dont lie. But I do agree
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:20 pm to pvilleguru
As I posted earlier:
4 Team pods that "buddy up" every 3 years.
ex.:
Pod A (Team 1, Team 2, Team 3, Team 4)
Pod B (Team 5, Team 6, Team 7, Team 8)
Pod C (Team 9, Team 10, Team 11, Team 12)
Pod D (Team 13, Team 14, Team 15, Team 16)
Team 1 schedule (year 1)
Pod A - 3 games
Pod B - 4 games
Pod C rival - 1 game
Pod D rival - 1 game
Team 1 schedule (year 2)
Pod A - 3 games
Pod C - 4 games
Pod B rival - 1 game
Pod D rival - 1 game
Team 1 schedule (year 3)
Pod A - 3 games
Pod D - 4 games
Pod B rival - 1 game
Pod C rival - 1 game
Team 1 schedule (years 4-6)
years 1-3 with locations flipped
SECCG
year 1: Pods AB winner vrs. Pods CD winner
year 2: Pods AC winner vrs. Pods BD winner
year 3: Pods AD winner vrs. Pods BC winner
This format gives just 8 games the possibility of a repeat out of 64 possible matchups in teams.
4 Team pods that "buddy up" every 3 years.
ex.:
Pod A (Team 1, Team 2, Team 3, Team 4)
Pod B (Team 5, Team 6, Team 7, Team 8)
Pod C (Team 9, Team 10, Team 11, Team 12)
Pod D (Team 13, Team 14, Team 15, Team 16)
Team 1 schedule (year 1)
Pod A - 3 games
Pod B - 4 games
Pod C rival - 1 game
Pod D rival - 1 game
Team 1 schedule (year 2)
Pod A - 3 games
Pod C - 4 games
Pod B rival - 1 game
Pod D rival - 1 game
Team 1 schedule (year 3)
Pod A - 3 games
Pod D - 4 games
Pod B rival - 1 game
Pod C rival - 1 game
Team 1 schedule (years 4-6)
years 1-3 with locations flipped
SECCG
year 1: Pods AB winner vrs. Pods CD winner
year 2: Pods AC winner vrs. Pods BD winner
year 3: Pods AD winner vrs. Pods BC winner
This format gives just 8 games the possibility of a repeat out of 64 possible matchups in teams.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
& HOW MANY tie-breakers will you need to determine who's better than whom due to no common opponents in a no-division format? 
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:22 pm to AUCE05
Fine as soon as you give up you're automatic Georgia wi...... oh wait I didn't think that one out.
Truth is the sec should drop these FCS teams on their schedule for a 9th conference game. Bama ooc schedule outside of FSU while decent with CSU and Fresno should not include Mercer LSU ooc schedule is embarrassingly bad as well as MSST. Besides we keep thinking of the sec as it was up until about 2012. It's not been th same since. There are a couple of really good teams and the. A bunch of average teams and then some pretty bad teams. It's not the gauntlet it was when the SEC was winning title after title.
Truth is the sec should drop these FCS teams on their schedule for a 9th conference game. Bama ooc schedule outside of FSU while decent with CSU and Fresno should not include Mercer LSU ooc schedule is embarrassingly bad as well as MSST. Besides we keep thinking of the sec as it was up until about 2012. It's not been th same since. There are a couple of really good teams and the. A bunch of average teams and then some pretty bad teams. It's not the gauntlet it was when the SEC was winning title after title.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Hince my argument to go to 16 teams - which forces 9 games (@ least it does in my pod suggestion).
14 teams is such a hard # to work with.
14 teams is such a hard # to work with.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:26 pm to meansonny
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meansonny
Dana Holgorsen: Every Power 5 conference should play a nine game conference schedule
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If you go to 9 games, when UGA/UF/USC/UK have 4 Home conf. games, they HOST their ACC rival. That guarantees 5 home games MINIMUM.
I'd take Bama and Auburn to the East. We can trade Vandy and Mizzou to the West.
SEC WON'T split TN/Vandy any more than it will Ala./Aub. or Miss./MSU.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:37 pm to labamafan
There are always "the worst teams" in the SEC. Every year... a team is struggling to get conference wins. That isn't a new phenomenon.
I never understand why people focus on the worst game on the schedule. Similarly, there will always be a worse game
The focus should be on improving the best OOC game. And improving the 2nd best OOC game. Doesn't that make more sense? A patsy will always be a patsy. But instead, if you focus on the 2 top games on your ooc schedule then you are really accomplishing something.
This year, UGA has GT and Notre Dame. I won't defend GT on this board, but I'm sure wramblin reck or some other NAT can post about Tech in CCGs or in recent BCS bowls.
I never understand why people focus on the worst game on the schedule. Similarly, there will always be a worse game
The focus should be on improving the best OOC game. And improving the 2nd best OOC game. Doesn't that make more sense? A patsy will always be a patsy. But instead, if you focus on the 2 top games on your ooc schedule then you are really accomplishing something.
This year, UGA has GT and Notre Dame. I won't defend GT on this board, but I'm sure wramblin reck or some other NAT can post about Tech in CCGs or in recent BCS bowls.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:40 pm to southernboisb
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SEC WON'T split TN/Vandy
That was once said about Auburn vs UF. Or A&M vs Texas. Or Nebraska vs Oklahoma. Never say never.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:46 pm to meansonny
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The focus should be on improving the best OOC game. And improving the 2nd best OOC game. Doesn't that make more sense? A patsy will always be a patsy. But instead, if you focus on the 2 top games on your ooc schedule then you are really accomplishing something.
Agree. My thought has always been, for us, 1 big OOC game (FSU/Michigan/Penn State), 1 other interesting P5 game (Wake Forest/Syracuse/Iowa), 1 G5 game (Arkansas St/Kent State) and 1 money game.
I'd be fine with that schedule. I do know they have broached the subject of playing a 2nd P5 game in a H/H fashion and have had serious issues finding partners in that 2nd tier of P5 schools. Illinois and Kansas just have no desire to play Alabama. It doesn't help them in any way.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:02 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree. My thought has always been, for us, 1 big OOC game (FSU/Michigan/Penn State), 1 other interesting P5 game (Wake Forest/Syracuse/Iowa), 1 G5 game (Arkansas St/Kent State) and 1 money game.
I'd be fine with that schedule. I do know they have broached the subject of playing a 2nd P5 game in a H/H fashion and have had serious issues finding partners in that 2nd tier of P5 schools. Illinois and Kansas just have no desire to play Alabama. It doesn't help them in any way
SEC should make 3 changes:
1. Play 9 regular season conference games.
2. Play at least 1 OOC P5 opponent.
3. No FCS opponents allowed.
With 1 permanent cross-division opponent, there would only be 4-year gaps between playing the other six cross-division teams. Together, these changes create no adverse impact on the ability to keep primary OOC rivalry games (UF/FSU, UGA/GT, SC/Clem, UK/L'ville) or secondary rotational ones such as SC vs NC & NCS.
ETA: Oops, Rule #2 above was implemented in 2015.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:19 am to Bench McElroy
I said that? Really?
I was prolly drunk
I was prolly drunk
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:37 am to TidalSurge1
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2. Play at least 1 OOC P5 opponent.
This is already a requirement as of the 2015 season.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:39 am to meansonny
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That was once said about Auburn vs UF
Not in the same state
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Or A&M vs Texas
Not in the same conference
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Or Nebraska vs Oklahoma.
Not in the same state or conference.
A more apt comparison would be Alabama/Auburn, who didn't play each other for 40 years.
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