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re: Comparing 4 Offenses : 2019 LSU, 2020 Bama, 2020 Ole Miss, 2020 Florida
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:23 pm to Box Geauxrilla
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:23 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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So you completely removed the stats for 2019 LSU from the Vandy, Arkansas and Texas A&M games?
No, I think the stats just aren't counted anymore once the lead gets that high, which actually probably helps the numbers because most teams start running clock and taking out starters once they get huge leads so their offenses wouldn't be as efficient.
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:23 pm to lsufball19
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yeah, and I'm convinced that the drastic dip in defensive efficiency in the SEC is due to the lack of spring, lack of summer workouts, a shortened fall practice, and no warm-up OOC games. Offenses are typically going to have a bigger advantage with a lack of preparation.
Agree, and I think some of the improvement in the 2nd half of the season across the board in teams is proving that even more so.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:28 pm to RollTide1987
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I mean, shite, up until Tua went down against Tennessee the 2019 Alabama offense was arguably better than 2019 LSU.
Meh, it was very close, but I believe the advanced stats still had LSU with a slight advantage. I believe Tua did have a very small advantage in QB efficiency though. What's nuts is LSU and Alabama ended up exactly tied in yards per play last year, with LSU having a decent advantage in yards per game and scored a little more than 1 point per game. The offenses were very close, but I do believe LSU faced slightly tougher defenses, on average, so I think that gave them the overall edge.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:31 pm to Farmer1906
Not even close.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:34 pm to RollTide1987
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That blows what LSU accomplished last year out of the water.
Does it? LSU played 12 P5 teams last year (8 SEC games, @Texas OOC, UGA in the SECCG, and 2 more in the CFP). They also played 5 teams that finished in the top 10 and 7 who finished in the top 25.
This year, Alabama, if they play in the title game, which seems likely, will have played 1 more P5 team, (at most) 4 top 10 teams (A&M, UF, plus two teams in CFP) and possibly 6 total teams in the top 25 assuming UGA stays there and if Auburn sneaks back in before the season is over. I don't see how that schedule would blow what LSU did last year out of the water
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:40 pm to lsufball19
Yea, I don't think it would either. If we somehow blew out Florida, Notre Dame, Clemson then it would certainly be an incredible year of domination, but like you said, it would basically be about what LSU did last year except without 3 cupcake games.
And, while it is certainly a legitimate title and would be super impressive, it'd be hard to compare this season to others in that way IMHO. Just a lot of different stuff. Bunch of different types of challenges than a regular season, but also missing some of the normal challenges (loud road games, etc), with none of it really quantifiable.
And, while it is certainly a legitimate title and would be super impressive, it'd be hard to compare this season to others in that way IMHO. Just a lot of different stuff. Bunch of different types of challenges than a regular season, but also missing some of the normal challenges (loud road games, etc), with none of it really quantifiable.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
That Kiffin has his offense comparing to the other 3 in his first year is kind of amazing
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:41 pm to C W
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That Kiffin has his offense comparing to the other 3 in his first year is kind of amazing
He certainly walked into a place with a lot of shiny toys to play with, but the fact that they just hit the ground running with little offseason and were clicking from Day 1 that way........pretty incredible.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:43 pm to lsufball19
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That blows what LSU accomplished last year out of the water.
Does it? LSU played 12 P5 teams last year (8 SEC games, @Texas OOC, UGA in the SECCG, and 2 more in the CFP). They also played 5 teams that finished in the top 10 and 7 who finished in the top 25.
This year, Alabama, if they play in the title game, which seems likely, will have played 1 more P5 team, (at most) 4 top 10 teams (A&M, UF, plus two teams in CFP) and possibly 6 total teams in the top 25 assuming UGA stays there and if Auburn sneaks back in before the season is over. I don't see how that schedule would blow what LSU did last year out of the water
What Bama is doing this year is indescribable and historically significant! Should we run the table, it will go down as the "GOAT SEASON!"
Honorable mention as the "GOAT TEAM!"
as Nebraska holds that honor. But, close!
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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missing some of the normal challenges (loud road games
Really big factor
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:45 pm to RollTide1987
Yea I hate to say it, but 2020 Bama > 2019 LSU.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:46 pm to lsufball19
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LSU played 12 P5 teams last year
LSU had three cream puff teams which essentially adds up to three off weeks. Alabama didn’t have that luxury this year. We have to bring out A-game each and every week or you get games like Alabama-Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:51 pm to RollTide1987
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LSU had three cream puff teams which essentially adds up to three off weeks. Alabama didn’t have that luxury this year. We have to bring out A-game each and every week or you get games like Alabama-Ole Miss.
Trying to compare "luxuries" between a normal season like last year and a weird season this year with largely empty stadiums, playing against teams with 1/3 of their rosters out due to COVID protocols, games being moved around, etc is simply impossible to try to quantify. But no, playing 3 G5 teams is not like having three off weeks. Players still have to go out any play, get banged up, and possibly injured against bad teams more than they do in practice. That's just an awful argument, and I think even you know that. From October 12 until the SECCG December 7, LSU played 4 teams in the top 10 with no games against "cream puffs." Alabama hasn't played that many top 10 teams all season.
Does it really bother you that much that Alabama may not be the best in something?
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think the average SEC defense was better last year
Much better.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They were explosive but not very efficient with Brennan.
They are just not very good without Brennan.
Our running game and OL are just dreadful this year. Brennan certainly isn't in Joe Burrow's universe as a QB, but it's really impossible for this offense to be efficient with such huge deficiencies on the line and running game. And now losing our, by far, most explosive player left on offense, it's only going to get worse.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:03 pm to lsufball19
I think this has been discussed already, but Alabama’s offensive line this year is probably the best ... well, ever. I’m not saying LSUs offensive line last year was bad. But they are not really close to Alabama’s 2020 line.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:07 pm to Barracuda
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I think this has been discussed already, but Alabama’s offensive line this year is probably the best ... well, ever.
It's right up there with 2012 for me in best Alabama offensive lines I've ever seen - and at this point, I think it may be better.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:08 pm to lsufball19
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LSU had three cream puff teams which essentially adds up to three off weeks. Alabama didn’t have that luxury this year. We have to bring out A-game each and every week or you get games like Alabama-Ole Miss.
Trying to compare "luxuries" between a normal season like last year and a weird season this year with largely empty stadiums, playing against teams with 1/3 of their rosters out due to COVID protocols, games being moved around, etc is simply impossible to try to quantify. But no, playing 3 G5 teams is not like having three off weeks. Players still have to go out any play, get banged up, and possibly injured against bad teams more than they do in practice. That's just an awful argument, and I think even you know that.
Does it really bother you that much that Alabama may not be the best in something?
Some of what you say is very true.
However, the cream puff teams do allow for a "lot" of luxuries you don't have facing an all SEC schedule.
1. Rest your starters
2. Allow subs to gain valuable experience in a live game setting
3. Work out kinks in offensive schemes & defense to gain confidence.
4. Lay groundwork for later opportunities.
5. Pad stats for post season awards.
6. Allow players with injuries or nicks and bruises to sit and heal up
7. Homecoming Patsy, sure win for the Alumni.
8. Let the sidewalkers afford a ticket to see their team play in person.
9. Home game with no obligation to play at their place.
10.EASY WIN!
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:09 pm to Barracuda
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I’m not saying LSUs offensive line last year was bad.
Burrow and CEH made them look so much better than what they actually were. Winning the Moore Award was a joke.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:09 pm to Barracuda
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I’m not saying LSUs offensive line last year was bad.
In a lot of ways, LSU's OL last year was overrated. It wasn't the best in the country IMO, despite being awarded as such. Burrow and CEH covered up a lot of their deficiencies.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 3:10 pm
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