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Compare and contrast Jimbo with Jameis vs Without Jameis
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:16 pm
I wanted to take a somewhat advanced look into Jimbo and his time at Florida State. So I extrapolated stats from seasons with Jameis Winston (2013 & 2014) under center and seasons without him (2010-2012 & 2015-2017)
The numbers in parenthesis is where FSU ranks compared to the nation within those extrapolated ranges.
Record against teams who finished the season ranked in the AP Poll
-With Jameis: 6-1 (only loss to Oregon in CFP)
-Without Jameis: 9-14
Offensive points per game
-With Jameis: 42.68 (5th)
-Without Jameis: 32.71 (28th)
Offensive yards per game
-With Jameis: 480.21 (12th)
-Without Jameis: 410.98 (49th)
Offensive plays per game<--Personally surprising
-With Jameis: 68.36 (94th)
-Without Jameis: 65.61 (118th)
And now for an advanced look at how efficient Jimbo's offenses were. We are going to be using EPA (Expected Points Added) today
EPA per offensive drive
-With Jameis: 1.20 (6th)
-Without Jameis: 0.54 (30th)... for reference A&M was 34th at 0.50
The numbers in parenthesis is where FSU ranks compared to the nation within those extrapolated ranges.
Record against teams who finished the season ranked in the AP Poll
-With Jameis: 6-1 (only loss to Oregon in CFP)
-Without Jameis: 9-14
Offensive points per game
-With Jameis: 42.68 (5th)
-Without Jameis: 32.71 (28th)
Offensive yards per game
-With Jameis: 480.21 (12th)
-Without Jameis: 410.98 (49th)
Offensive plays per game<--Personally surprising
-With Jameis: 68.36 (94th)
-Without Jameis: 65.61 (118th)
And now for an advanced look at how efficient Jimbo's offenses were. We are going to be using EPA (Expected Points Added) today
EPA per offensive drive
-With Jameis: 1.20 (6th)
-Without Jameis: 0.54 (30th)... for reference A&M was 34th at 0.50
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Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:18 pm to Sean Bean
Do one for Chizik with and without Cam so we can get a clearer idea of comparison
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:18 pm to Sean Bean
Yep.
Good players help.
Good players help.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:26 pm to TOFTR
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Do one for Chizik with and without Cam so we can get a clearer idea of comparison
Chiz... With and without Cam...
Record against teams who finished the season ranked in the AP Poll
-With Cam: 7-0
-Without Cam: 3-13
Offensive points per game
-With Cam: 41.21 (7th)
-Without Cam: 26.08 (75th)
Offensive yards per game
-With Cam: 499.21 (7th)
-Without Cam: 359.61 (91st)
Offensive plays per game
-With Cam: 67.71 (61st)
-Without Cam: 64.13 (114th)
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:30 pm to Sean Bean
Stats can be misleading. His first couple years he built that program back up after it fell off the map. Last year that team just kind of quit. That would be my biggest knock on him... for whatever reason he has had teams that seem to quit on him. I suspect its because he doesn't recruit enough "culture" guys, but loads up on premier athletes.
Jimbo is a great offensive mind, but his passing offense is complex - which means it will probably take a year or two to find the right QB that can execute his offense.
He also understands really well how to develop a program. He was ahead of the curve when it comes to using analytics and data for peak performance.
Despite A&M's impressive resources I do think they have a bit of a brand problem today. FSU's brand was still strong when Jimbo took over for Bowden. I think that could easily change with some consistent success.
He has the ability to elevate the program to 2nd in the West behind Bama (as long as Saban is there), and a consistent top 15 team.
Jimbo is a great offensive mind, but his passing offense is complex - which means it will probably take a year or two to find the right QB that can execute his offense.
He also understands really well how to develop a program. He was ahead of the curve when it comes to using analytics and data for peak performance.
Despite A&M's impressive resources I do think they have a bit of a brand problem today. FSU's brand was still strong when Jimbo took over for Bowden. I think that could easily change with some consistent success.
He has the ability to elevate the program to 2nd in the West behind Bama (as long as Saban is there), and a consistent top 15 team.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:31 pm to Sean Bean
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Chiz... With and without Cam...
Record against teams who finished the season ranked in the AP Poll
-With Cam: 7-0
-Without Cam: 3-13
Offensive points per game
-With Cam: 41.21 (7th)
-Without Cam: 26.08 (75th)
Offensive yards per game
-With Cam: 499.21 (7th)
-Without Cam: 359.61 (91st)
Offensive plays per game
-With Cam: 67.71 (61st)
-Without Cam: 64.13 (114th)
That my friends is known as R.O.I.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:32 pm to Sean Bean
How about Hurts and Tua comparison; 4th quarter only
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:33 pm to TailbackU
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That my friends is known as R.O.I.
Yep. It is about time UGA started "investing" too.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:37 pm to Sean Bean
Other than Jameis, Jimbo really did a nice job developing Ponder. He wasn't a highly recruited guy, but turned into a really nice college qb.
Manuel was a talented guy, but he didn't seem to trust himself. I'll never understand why Buffalo took him in the 1st rd.
After Winston, Jimbo struggled getting a big time qb. He gambled and lost on Malik Henry.
Manuel was a talented guy, but he didn't seem to trust himself. I'll never understand why Buffalo took him in the 1st rd.
After Winston, Jimbo struggled getting a big time qb. He gambled and lost on Malik Henry.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:38 pm to armtackledawg
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Yep. It is about time UGA started "investing" too.
Got your eyes on any 5* player that has a pastor daddy?
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:38 pm to Sean Bean
Now do Sumlin with/without Johnny
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:38 pm to Wtodd
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How about Hurts and Tua comparison; 4th quarter only
4th Q ONLY stats
Tua 17/27 270 yds 4 TDs 0 INTs; 11 Rush Att 63 Yds 1 TD
Hurts 16/33 188 Yds 1 TD 0 INTs; 25 Rush Att 70 Yds 0 TD
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:39 pm to Sean Bean
ooo do one for Belichick with and without Brady
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:41 pm to Sean Bean
With Jameis: 27-1 with two conference titles and a natty
Without Jameis: 56-23 with a conference title
Who in the SEC has a record better than 56-23? Saban. Kirby, even if it is a limited data set. That's probably it.
Without Jameis: 56-23 with a conference title
Who in the SEC has a record better than 56-23? Saban. Kirby, even if it is a limited data set. That's probably it.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:45 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Who in the SEC has a record better than 56-23? Saban. Kirby, even if it is a limited data set. That's probably it.
Teams with a better Win% than Jimbo during 2010-2012 & 2015-2017 in the SEC
Alabama: 76-8
LSU: 60-17
Georgia: 59-23
For Ref: A&M went 50-28
Edit: Did this off of your 56-23 number. I have FSU at 58-22 in that span. In that case, we would eliminate UGA
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:47 pm to Sean Bean
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Alabama: 76-8
LSU: 60-17
Georgia: 59-23
Exactly. So even if you take out his two best years, giving him no credit for a 27-1 record over two years, his record still put him toward the top of the league. That's remarkable.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:48 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Exactly. So even if you take out his two best years, giving him no credit for a 27-1 record over two years, his record still put him at the top of the league. That's remarkable.
Except he was in a different conference. So that's a really dumb comparison
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:49 pm to craigbiggio
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Except he was in a different conference. So that's a really dumb comparison
He was in the conference that has arguably outperformed the SEC over the last few years.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:49 pm to Sean Bean
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Record against teams who finished the season ranked in the AP Poll
-With Cam: 7-0
-Without Cam: 3-13
Offensive points per game
-With Cam: 41.21 (7th)
-Without Cam: 26.08 (75th)
Offensive yards per game
-With Cam: 499.21 (7th)
-Without Cam: 359.61 (91st)
Offensive plays per game
-With Cam: 67.71 (61st)
-Without Cam: 64.13 (114th)
Florida Fans... See how dumb Dan Mullen is. Instead of paying the most dominant player ever he passed on him. Could have won State a NC that year.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:51 pm to Hugh McElroy
Watching LSU fans break their backs trying to discredit Jimbo is hilarious
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