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Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:49 am
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:49 am
The obvious goal is to win the title but is making the CWS on a consistent basis good enough for most fans without winning a title or should there be at least one title per certain amount of appearances?
FSU has 20+ CWS appearances with no national titles. Oklahoma has 10 CWS appearances, and only one since the Big XII began, yet two national titles. Is OU or FSU the better program historically?
LSU is the standard in the SEC. South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, and now Mississippi State have all established themselves with success.
FSU has 20+ CWS appearances with no national titles. Oklahoma has 10 CWS appearances, and only one since the Big XII began, yet two national titles. Is OU or FSU the better program historically?
LSU is the standard in the SEC. South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, and now Mississippi State have all established themselves with success.
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 11:51 am
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:53 am to Oklahomey
Going to the CWS is a banner-worthy achievement tantamount to going to the final four in basketball. Teams dogpile for the former and cut down the nets for the latter.
Titles are obviously amongst the most important indicators of a great program, but consistency is also valuable. Southern Cal has twice as many titles as the school with the second most, but I would still consider every SEC school you mentioned as a better program right now, with each having been for a while
Titles are obviously amongst the most important indicators of a great program, but consistency is also valuable. Southern Cal has twice as many titles as the school with the second most, but I would still consider every SEC school you mentioned as a better program right now, with each having been for a while
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:55 am to Oklahomey
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The obvious goal is to win the title but is making the CWS on a consistent basis good enough for most fans without winning a title or should there be at least one title per certain amount of appearances?
FSU has 20+ CWS appearances with no national titles. Oklahoma has 10 CWS appearances, and only one since the Big XII began, yet two national titles. Is OU or FSU the better program historically?
LSU is the standard in the SEC. South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, and now Mississippi State have all established themselves with success.
depends on which schools you are talking about
lsu
vandy
UF
MSU
and really arky want/require national titles atleast once a decade max and in LSUs case....it 2 per if being honest.
arky hasnt won one and imo are getting anxious about it. OM is that away with just getting to the CWS.
at SC, UF, and MSU...getting to the CWS is the standard with a title once a decade
UGA....doesnt care as much to be honest. They care but not like
USC, UF, Vandy
ARKY, LSU, MSU, OM or even A&M.
so to answer your questions....LSU is like UT in that getting there isnt enough, have to win one.
OU will be similar to A&M in that they care but main goal is start consistently getting there first.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:56 am to XWing atAliciousness
Good call on the present. Arkansas has the same amount of CWS appearances as OU, but the Hogs have enjoyed way more success in recent years than OU. National titles favor OU, 2-0, but there’s no doubt Arkansas is a way better program presently.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:57 am to Oklahomey
Historically, the USC Trojans have been the national standard having won 12 national titles, twice as many as the next program.
However, the Trojans haven't done much lately (last title in 1998); therefore, are they still the standard? Overall, yes; lately, no.
What has OU done lately? Despite the Sooners' 2 titles (1951, 1994) to FSU's zero titles, I'd say that, overall, FSU's been the better program. They've been more "consistently good" in a better fashion than OU has been despite not ever winning it all.
Just my opinion.
However, the Trojans haven't done much lately (last title in 1998); therefore, are they still the standard? Overall, yes; lately, no.
What has OU done lately? Despite the Sooners' 2 titles (1951, 1994) to FSU's zero titles, I'd say that, overall, FSU's been the better program. They've been more "consistently good" in a better fashion than OU has been despite not ever winning it all.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:03 pm to Oklahomey
CWS appearance is tantamount to a conference title in football or final four in basketball (maybe even an elite 8).
It’s absolutely an achievement and a good measuring stick for programs.
Winning the CWS is so damn difficult and hard to predict that you’ve cemented your program by winning one but it’s not exactly the most accurate way to measure or compare program competitiveness. Plus, the postseason format has changed over the years to the point that past titles carry a bit different weight than more recent titles.
It’s absolutely an achievement and a good measuring stick for programs.
Winning the CWS is so damn difficult and hard to predict that you’ve cemented your program by winning one but it’s not exactly the most accurate way to measure or compare program competitiveness. Plus, the postseason format has changed over the years to the point that past titles carry a bit different weight than more recent titles.
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:21 pm to tylerdurden24
Usc won all those titles except one because sec made football assistants coach the baseball teams and usc had unlimited rosters
LSU also benefitted from larger rosters but greater parity exists now
Once miss st and LSU showed baseball could be a money maker the sec followed the blueprint and all teams are thriving with a coaching tree of LSU and state disciples
LSU also benefitted from larger rosters but greater parity exists now
Once miss st and LSU showed baseball could be a money maker the sec followed the blueprint and all teams are thriving with a coaching tree of LSU and state disciples
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:23 pm to Oklahomey
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Georgia
Take that name off established success. Arkansas has had far more success
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:04 pm to nicholastiger
quote:While it can be a money maker, it's still very hard to realize the profit from it.
Once miss st and LSU showed baseball could be a money maker the sec followed the blueprint and all teams are thriving with a coaching tree of LSU and state disciples
I think only a handful (maybe 12-15 programs in the nation off the top of my head) actually turn a profit.
But other teams are coming around. Ok State and Florida just built state-of-the-art facilities.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:06 pm to GamecockUltimate
We have 6 CWS appearances, 4 in the past 21 years.
And 1 more national title than Arkansas and Ole Miss.
And 1 more national title than Arkansas and Ole Miss.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:08 pm to Oklahomey
Our program is basically dead at this point. Administration doesn’t care anymore
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:13 pm to Oklahomey
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FSU has 20+ CWS appearances with no national titles. Oklahoma has 10 CWS appearances, and only one since the Big XII began, yet two national titles. Is OU or FSU the better program historically?
FSU by a long shot
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:29 pm to nicholastiger
Not sure when other schools started their teams, Arkansas didn't start playing baseball until 1960's. Phys ed teacher was the coach until the 70's. Norm DeBriyn started getting paid as the full time coach in the 70's. We never even made the tournament until 73.
Mid 70's before they had an actual dedicated field. Played in a cow pasture at the fairgrounds across Razorback Road from where Bud Walton arena is now before then.
Mid 70's before they had an actual dedicated field. Played in a cow pasture at the fairgrounds across Razorback Road from where Bud Walton arena is now before then.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:30 pm to deltaland
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FSU by a long shot
Even I will admit this.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:32 pm to deltaland
I think FSU is over OK. FSU has been more consistent even though he never got a ring. Auburn got OK head coach not too long ago.
I do think LSU and MSU have been the Kings of SEC baseball. MSU has been good for a long time.
Missouri has won a national title, but they haven't been relevant forever. I wouldn't consider them better than Ole Miss.
I do think LSU and MSU have been the Kings of SEC baseball. MSU has been good for a long time.
Missouri has won a national title, but they haven't been relevant forever. I wouldn't consider them better than Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:33 pm to Oklahomey
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is making the CWS on a consistent basis good enough for most fans without winning a title
It should be. Making the CWS is the measure of success in college baseball. It's hard to do, and that's why it is celebrated.
No sane college baseball fanbase would want to get rid of a coach who is making the CWS on a regular basis.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:35 pm to blairjs
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Missouri has one a national title, but they have been relevant forever. I wouldn't consider them better than Ole Miss.
WHAT? lol
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:39 pm to bigDgator
SEC Baseball is going to be great with expansion!
Texas with 37 appearances in the CWS in the 74 years its been held, 50% of the time is crazy
OU with 2 titles is damn good
Go Vandy!
Texas with 37 appearances in the CWS in the 74 years its been held, 50% of the time is crazy
OU with 2 titles is damn good
Go Vandy!
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:52 pm to Oklahomey
I never understood Bama not having a better program. But 5 trips and at least two were runner-up. Bad coaching cost another trip versus a good North Carolina team (Miller/Bard/Flack) - just kept base running themselves out of innings and bad decision to pitch to Flack with runners.
I do not consider appearances banner worthy. Let basketball keep that meaningless practice.
I do not consider appearances banner worthy. Let basketball keep that meaningless practice.
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:53 pm to blairjs
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Missouri has won a national title, but they haven't been relevant forever. I wouldn't consider them better than Ole Miss.
They’ve literally never made the ncaa tournament since they joined the SEC
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 1:54 pm
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