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re: CFB is in serious need of more variety
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:09 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:09 pm to BHMKyle
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and there was a different national champion every single year between 1979-1985.
Things got really competitive in the 90s and early 2000s as well under the same scholarship limit did it not? Then the SEC began it's dominance in 2006. My point is, things go in cycles. The scholarship limitations SHOULD BE helping those same schools be competitive now but some schools have risen above the others. This will only make other programs work harder and eventually be competitive again. Don't penalize those that work harder and invest more. Instead cause others to try harder and put more into their programs. That's the way it is, and that's the way it should be.
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean I don't disagree with this, but I think the root of that problem is nobody challenges those teams in their conference.
Yes, but it does happen. They do get challenged from time to time and what happens?
"Oh Clemson lost to Syracuse?... Well that was a fluke. They are obviously one of the four best teams so they should still make the playoff." And don't forget, "Oh Alabama lost to Auburn and didn't even win it's division? Well they are obviously one of the four best teams so they should still make the playoff despite not even playing for their Conference Championship." See how this goes?
So not only do the same teams dominate their leagues. Even when someone does sneak up and beat them, they aren't really even penalized for it because everyone just looks at the number of 5-stars on the roster.
So it all boils down to a handful of programs amassing such an insane amount of talent, that no one outside of about 8-10 programs will ever have a prayer of winning a Title (and yes, Georgia is one of those but consistently underachieves, we all know this). This is why its a systemic problem that won't go away anytime soon.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:13 pm to CCTider
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Why are you throwing 1990 Georgia Tech under the bus? If anything, frick 1990 Colorado.
Neither of those teams is winning a national title in a 4 game playoff - Miami would have beat the shite out of both of them.
Georgia Tech played
- 1 Top 10 team (#9 Clemson)
- 1 Top 20 team (#9 Clemson)
- 3 Top 25 teams (#9 Clemson, #23 UVA, #25 Nebraska)
- Tied a team that went 6-4-1
Colorado had their own issues with being shitty.
Point being - both those teams are getting woodshedded in a playoff by Miami
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:15 pm to BHMKyle
65 scholarship limit. One time transfer. Top 64 programs break off.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:16 pm to Nitro Express
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Things got really competitive in the 90s and early 2000s as well under the same scholarship limit did it not?
Sure did. People really, really underestimate the influence TV has on college football. Once upon a time there were only a few games on every weekend, usually featuring the same handful of teams. Then all but the shitty games got put on TV, but there wasn't a particularly striking hierarchy to it. Now the B1G kicks off like 4 games a week at noon, the Big 12 plays on Fox with their horrible broadcasts, and the Pac 12 kicks off at 10pm EST. The SEC meanwhile gets to play mostly afternoon and primetime games every week, which leads to significantly more national exposure for mid-tier SEC programs than you see from their counterparts in other conferences.
Also, if you don't think ratings plays a role in the CFP selection process I have some beachfront property in Nebraska I can sell you for a bargain.
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:16 pm to BHMKyle
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heading the way of NASCAR
As someone who grew up a NASCAR fan, I don't think the two are comparable. NASCAR (the actual organization) is directly at fault for many of its own issues, it wasn't a simple lack of variety or parity.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:17 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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NASCAR (the actual organization) is directly at fault for many of its own issues
Like a garage door pull string.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:19 pm to BHMKyle
That's the most communist idea ever.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:20 pm to BHMKyle
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"Oh Clemson lost to Syracuse?... Well that was a fluke. They are obviously one of the four best teams so they should still make the playoff." And don't forget, "Oh Alabama lost to Auburn and didn't even win it's division? Well they are obviously one of the four best teams so they should still make the playoff despite not even playing for their Conference Championship." See how this goes?
But what are the alternatives? If somebody else in the BXII or the PXII would step up and kick their league's arse once in a while, they'd be there to take their spot!
Instead, the BXII outside of Oklahoma is a bunch of teams that lose to Oklahoma and go 9-3, and the PXII is a bunch of teams who go 10-2 or 9-3 and lose every non-conference game that matters.
They've made it very hard to look for alternatives.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:22 pm to AUCE05
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65 scholarship limit.
So approximately 2000 kids don’t get to go to school because you don’t like losing?
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:24 pm to artompkins
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That's the most communist idea ever.
Scholarship reductions are immoral. No one is entitled to their team being good, and reducing scholarship numbers just steals opportunities from teenagers so a bunch of grown men can watch their mediocre team be better for 5 or 6 years until the big boys adjust and adapt to the changes. If anything scholarships should be increased with the stupid amount of money college football is generating these days.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:31 pm to skrayper
Is this a charity or football program? CFB stopped being about college athletes decades ago.
G5 programs can keep their 85 so the bleeding heart gumps can see these poor kids get an education.
G5 programs can keep their 85 so the bleeding heart gumps can see these poor kids get an education.
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It really is one of the biggest issues. The other leagues traditional powers or at least schools that have histories of having a great team every 4-5 years are all just not even close to being good enough to do that.
Notice your wording there... "Not even close". This is the issue. If Michigan was just barely missing out of the playoff each year because they lost a close nail-biter to Ohio State every year, it'd be one thing. But it's not close. This is why fans are turning away from the sport.
Nebraska is dead. They will never be what they used to be. It's not possible.
I mean we can all pretend that Tennessee could come back, but at some point when do we face reality and admit that we've had 235 consecutive weekly AP Poll releases that have not one time included Tennessee in the Top 10. Not once!
UCLA you say? They rank 41st nationally since 1999 in terms of weekly appearances in the AP Top 10.
Virginia Tech? Unless they crack the Top 10 next year they'll have completed a decade of zero appearances in the AP Top 10.
The issue is not only that the same teams are always in the Top 5... its that no one else is even close. Again, that's why this is a greater issue that needs to be tackled to save the sport.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:38 pm to BHMKyle
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The 1960s-70s were the only time in which there was very little parity.
quote:Strange that those were the eras that Alabama came into their dynasties. Bear Bryant and Saban.
Now once again, we've returned to how it was in the 1960s and '70s in which the same handful of teams dominate every year. It's not "always been this way". It was this way in the 1960s and '70s only up until 2014... the same year we got the Playoff. What a coincidence.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:39 pm to BHMKyle
Sounds like other programs need to step up (and yes that includes UF).
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:39 pm to 3down10
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It's funny because so many rules have been made trying to hurt Alabama.
Isn't it your coach that literally tried to get the rules changed to slow down the game in the name of "player safety" ? I mean give me a break.
And of course now the Saban offense has joined the other guys and moved at a faster pace. "Is this what we want the game to be?," I once heard the man say. So now either 1) he completely lied and used "player safety" as an excuse to try to manipulate rules, or 2) he doesn't care about the well-being of his players and is intentionally running an offense that will lead to injuries. It's one or the other yet of course no one will bother to ask him about why he had the change of heart.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:43 pm to BHMKyle
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And of course now the Saban offense has joined the other guys and moved at a faster pace. "Is this what we want the game to be?," I once heard the man say. So now either 1) he completely lied and used "player safety" as an excuse to try to manipulate rules, or 2) he doesn't care about the well-being of his players and is intentionally running an offense that will lead to injuries. It's one or the other yet of course no one will bother to ask him about why he had the change of heart.
His player safety objections were specifically about sprinting to the line and snapping the ball before the other team was ready, which we of course do not do and nobody really does anymore except on rare occasions.
We don't even run more plays than we did pre-"is this what we want the game to be?".
2009 - 67.6
2010 - 63.8
2011 - 66.5
2012 - 64.1
2013 - 63.5
2014 - 72.7
2015 - 72.5
2016 - 70.4
2017 - 67.4
2018 - 67.3
2019 - 64.8
2020 - 69.4
He objected to the blocking down field rules and the fastball stuff. People said "yea, do we want this", so he said fine, installed his own version of RPO stuff and beat the shite out of everyone else with it.
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:45 pm to Robot Santa
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he ACC has a major fan apathy problem. Too many private schools and metro schools with small, often disinterested fanbases.
You people are focusing on the symptoms instead of the cause.
Why are these fan bases disinterested? Because they see Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma playing in the Playoff every single year and they see with their own eyes the difference in talent, and they say, "You know my Boston College team will never be close to as good as those guys, so I guess I just won't go sit on a frozen bleacher for four hours to watch us play Pitt."
When you've created a sport in which only 8-10 teams have a shot of ever winning the Title, don't be surprised when the fans of the other 120 teams decide to not show much interest.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:45 pm to BHMKyle
It’s clearly Saban’s world and we are all just living in it until something drastic happens. The man has changed the entire landscape of how the game is played and coached. To a point where you can’t even replicate it (see Kirby Smart, Jeremy Pruitt, Jimbo Fisher, etc). It doesn’t hurt that he looks and behaves like a man 15 years younger than his age as well. And unfortunately there is no early 40s Urban Meyer walking through that door in Gainesville to at least challenge the man. We’re stuck with a fricking clown whose offensive genius has produced a whopping 1 division title in 12 years as head coach. frick.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 2:49 pm to BHMKyle
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Why are these fan bases disinterested?
Because they've been disinterred in football for 50 years? This isn't new at a lot of these places.
There are lots of schools where football is just not that important 95% of seasons.
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"You know my Boston College team will never be close to as good as those guys, so I guess I just won't go sit on a frozen bleacher for four hours to watch us play Pitt."
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When you've created a sport in which only 8-10 teams have a shot of ever winning the Title, don't be surprised when the fans of the other 120 teams decide to not show much interest.
When did BC ever seriously compete for National Titles before?
I don't completely disagree with your assessment about variety, but this idea that we used to live in this fantasy world where any program could dream of winning a national title is just not true. The DIFFERENCE is that back before the BCS, everyone didn't look at the season as "can we win the national title or not and if not why are we doing this". Hell, as an Alabama fan I didn't think that way about football seasons in 1997. I wanted to beat our rivals and win the SEC. Those were the things I looked forward to every year. Now? Nobody thinks that way. Nobody! The bowls and playoffs have created this situation where every decent program is playoff or bust.
It just did not used to be like that. It just didn't. Goals were different, aspirations were different and the measure of success at a whole bunch of mid-level programs was different.
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 2:51 pm
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