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Can we talk about targeting
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:58 am
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:58 am
Setting aside how shittastically awful a rule it is, can someone please explain how a player carrying the football can now be deemed a "defenseless player"?
I don't even understand the rule anymore, and I'm not sure the refs do either.
I don't even understand the rule anymore, and I'm not sure the refs do either.
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:01 am to JesusQuintana
Agree, some of these calls are way to close to the ball. The LSU targeting was a blindside block on a guy about to make the tackle (granted the hit was very close and seemingly helmet to helmet so so I get it).
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:01 am to JesusQuintana
There will always be inadvertent helmet to helmet contact in football. I predict that in a few years football will be two hand touch.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:05 am to ljhog
I just don't get how these guys are supposed to play defense? They could call it on nearly every play if they are now going to call for tackling a ball carrier. You can't tackle without getting your head involved and how are you supposed to aim your hit on a moving target? It's insane.
Worse yet, it doesn't make the game any safer. It just artificially effects outcomes
Worse yet, it doesn't make the game any safer. It just artificially effects outcomes
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:07 am to JesusQuintana
i've argued for years that if a defender begins a then-legal move and the offensive player initiates the H2H contact, the offensive player should be penalized. that would solve the majority of the questionable calls where the defender is torso-level and upon impact, the offensive player lowers his head and creates H2H
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Colleges and the NCAA have to act like they care about brain damage to players.
This accomplishes that.
This accomplishes that.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:12 am to oman
Very true.
I could live with it if players didn't get kicked out of the game.
I could live with it if players didn't get kicked out of the game.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:13 am to JesusQuintana
The issue isn't the interpretation of the rule, they're doing that as it's written. The issue is that the rule itself doesn't allow for much leeway in enforcement, such as stronger consideration of intent.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:21 am to BluegrassBelle
Agreed, but unless the rule is changed they are not enforcing it by the letter of the law.
A ball carrier can not be a "defenseless player" by definition. Watching different games last night I saw it called 3 times (overturned once) on a RB carrying the ball.
A ball carrier can not be a "defenseless player" by definition. Watching different games last night I saw it called 3 times (overturned once) on a RB carrying the ball.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:27 am to JesusQuintana
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Setting aside how shittastically awful a rule it is, can someone please explain how a player carrying the football can now be deemed a "defenseless player"? I don't even understand the rule anymore, and I'm not sure the refs do either.
I get the fact the rule is there to protect players from serious injury, particularly head trauma but why doesn't that same rule apply to RB's?
A RB can break through the line leading with his helmet and I don't think I've ever seen that called for helmet to helmet contact.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:28 am to JesusQuintana
Targeting by rule isn't only against defenseless players, FYI.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:29 am to JesusQuintana
Was the Missouri player it was called on last night good?
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:31 am to JesusQuintana
I understand the rule trying to protect players. But it cant be all black n white, they must take into mind that these players are running full speed at each other, if they both lower their heads at the same time there is not much the defender can do.
I look for intent. Not the hit itself as far as ejecting players.
Just my .02
I look for intent. Not the hit itself as far as ejecting players.
Just my .02
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:34 am to LegendOfCobb
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Was the Missouri player it was called on last night good?
No, but that's not the point.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:38 am to PearlJam
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No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
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Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14): A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass. A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier. A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return. A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier. A player on the ground. A player obviously out of the play. A player who receives a blind-side block. A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped. A quarterback any time after a change of possession. A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first
Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong, but how exactly are you supposed to tackle a moving target without your helmet getting involved.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:43 am to JesusQuintana
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In college football, these things are targeting fouls, per the NCAA’s rulebook:
Making “forcible contact against an opponent with the helmet crown,” or the top of the tackler’s head.
Making “forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent.”
A targeting foul is an auto-ejection, and if it occurs in the second half, it includes a suspension for the first half of the following game.
A “defenseless opponent” includes, but isn’t limited to, a player:
in the act of, or having just thrown, a pass
who’s catching a pass or kick (or trying to) and hasn’t had time to become a “ball carrier.”
who’s in the act of kicking, or has just kicked
on the ground, or a player out of the play
who gets blind-side blocked
who has the ball and has had his forward progress stopped
who has the ball and is sliding or given himself up
Also:
A QB after he’s thrown a pick or someone’s fumbled the ball away
For a play to be targeting, it also has to have at least one “indicator.”
Launching, or “leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area”
A crouch and upward thrust to make head or neck contact, even if the hitter still has feet on the ground
Leading with the “helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area”
“Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet”
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 9:44 am
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:46 am to JesusQuintana
its like most rules,its got way out of hand!!!
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:46 am to PearlJam
Yeah, I don't know.
It's ruining football though. There has to be some leeway for the officials with intent here.
Ball carriers lower their head leading up to impact. How does a defensive player tackle him outside of diving for his feet?
It's the worst rule in all of sports.
It's ruining football though. There has to be some leeway for the officials with intent here.
Ball carriers lower their head leading up to impact. How does a defensive player tackle him outside of diving for his feet?
It's the worst rule in all of sports.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:49 am to JesusQuintana
quote:You can hit a ball carrier in the head as long as he hasn't become defenseless and as long as you don't use the crown of your helmet.
Ball carriers lower their head leading up to impact. How does a defensive player tackle him outside of diving for his feet?
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:54 am to PearlJam
Again, if the ball carrier is barreling towards you...lowers his head anticipating contact, where do you aim?
Get under his helmet and go for his feet? Stand straight up and get trucked?
How do you make that tackle, and make sure you make that tackle, without getting your helmet involved? It's impossible
Get under his helmet and go for his feet? Stand straight up and get trucked?
How do you make that tackle, and make sure you make that tackle, without getting your helmet involved? It's impossible
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