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re: Bruce with Bama's talent
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:18 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:18 pm to Irons Puppet
Other than Sexton what's the difference between Alabama and AU's talent?
Petty and Heron were both top 30 guys
Key and Okeke were both mid tier 4*s
Reese and Giddens are our only other 4 stars. I'm pretty sure Harper and Mitchell were 4 stars for Auburn.
People talk like we're Kentucky or something. We aren't that talented.
I don't think our guys shoot nearly well enough from deep for Bruce's liking.
Petty and Heron were both top 30 guys
Key and Okeke were both mid tier 4*s
Reese and Giddens are our only other 4 stars. I'm pretty sure Harper and Mitchell were 4 stars for Auburn.
People talk like we're Kentucky or something. We aren't that talented.
I don't think our guys shoot nearly well enough from deep for Bruce's liking.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:20 pm
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:20 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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People talk like we're Kentucky or something. We aren't that talented.
And like Auburn is Auburn of 2012.
Bruce's roster is littered with 4 and 5 stars, most of them with at least 1 year of experience.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:22 pm to Irons Puppet
It's not losing to a better team that's the problem it's losing the way Bama did that seems to upset the fans who follow closely. They just quit and didn't fight is what I'm hearing.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd also generally agree here. But, Bruce has 2 years of issues with young, raw talented kids too while at Auburn. So, I'm guessing we might be a little bit better, but they'd still be inconsistent.
AU plays two Jrs (Spenser and Brown) or older. Maybe AJ can turn them around next year, but Bruce's two years of struggle prior to this year was not due to youth alone.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 2:00 pm to Irons Puppet
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AU plays two Jrs (Spenser and Brown) or older.
Auburn only has 2 freshmen who play significant minutes, and they both come off the bench.
Their core guys all have at least 1 year experience. Harper and Heron both have had better years as sophomores than freshmen
Harper Offensive Rating
2017 : 109.5
2018 : 122.0
Heron Offensive Rating
2017 : 106.2
2018 : 108.6
Brown & Spencer have gotten better each season
Brown
2016 : 101.2
2017 : 105.6
2018 : 118.2
Spencer
2016 : 85.4
2017 : 102.1
2018 : 109.5
So, having a core that has played together for a year is a big deal. Auburn went from being one of the more up and down teams in the league to being the most consistent. A lot of that is Bruce being a good coach and bringing his kids along. However, a big chunk of it is just having a group that has played together and experienced a year of CBB. Also, they were always talented. The recruiting class figures show it.
Our roster will look a lot like Auburn's this year next year. A lot of experienced sophomores, a few juniors, hopefully a senior in Hall. Then we'll see if our guys improve the way Auburn's have. Jury is still out. I don't think anybody really have a firm grip on what to expect.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 2:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
When can we stop downgrading Auburn's players...
Being a great shooter, being a great on the ball defender, being a great rebounder, being great at blocking shots, being great at passing, being great at moving without the ball still makes you great even if you are shorter than you are supposed to be.
Being tall and/or athletic doesn't and often never translates into being great at basketball.
Being a great shooter, being a great on the ball defender, being a great rebounder, being great at blocking shots, being great at passing, being great at moving without the ball still makes you great even if you are shorter than you are supposed to be.
Being tall and/or athletic doesn't and often never translates into being great at basketball.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 2:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
But Bama doesn't play the same style as AU under Bruce. AU depends on moving the ball fast down court and look for the open three. With Sexton, Bama is a drive and shoot team.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 2:37 pm to Irons Puppet
does he get to pay bama players the same salary he's paying his guys?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 2:39 pm to Irons Puppet
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AU depends on moving the ball fast down court and look for the open three.
They drive to the hoop plenty given the circumstances and also use back cuts to attack the rim. Auburn isn't a jump shooting team...they just have some great shooters.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 3:03 pm to TomRollTideRitter
The difference between
Heron and Petty
Okeke and Key
Are the Heron and Okeke are vastly better players regardless of ranking and anyone can see that.
Heron and Petty
Okeke and Key
Are the Heron and Okeke are vastly better players regardless of ranking and anyone can see that.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 3:28 pm to MontyFranklyn
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What was Bruce's record the in 16-17 and 15-16?
16-17 Bruce lead Auburn to its forst winning season since 09 with an 18-14 record, and that was with a team starting 4 freshmen (including a 17 yr old), and only had one player in the program longer than two years and he was the last guy off the bench.
15-16 we went 11-20. Bruce's second season as HC and first where he was able to recruit before the season, so the roster was still devastated from the Barbee era. A couple of injuries and suspensions left us with only 7 scholarship players, most of which had no business on P5 basketball team.
And Bruce went 3-1 vs Bama in those 2 seasons
But what does that have to do with the OP?
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 3:29 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:You're right. Pearl wouldn't go after most of our kids and I doubt that Avery would go after many of theirs. Different coaching philosophies = different type players.
People talk like we're Kentucky or something. We aren't that talented.
I don't think our guys shoot nearly well enough from deep for Bruce's liking.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 3:31 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Key and Okeke were both mid tier 4*s
Comparing Key to a future longtime NBA player like Okeke is laughable.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 3:36 pm to BowlJackson
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Comparing Key to a future longtime NBA player like Okeke is laughable.
Okeke is a tweener, so I doubt he'll be much of a pro. Regardless my point was that Auburn has pretty much recruited at the same level as Alabama, so you're really just agreeing me that the gap in talent between AU and Alabama isn't large if there is one at all.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 3:42 pm to TIGERSPIKE
The difference between
Heron and Petty
Okeke and Key
Are the Heron and Okeke are vastly better players regardless of ranking and anyone can see that.I hate to say it, but I agree. I hope Petty will mature and blossom, but I'm afraid that Key's just overrated.
Heron and Petty
Okeke and Key
Are the Heron and Okeke are vastly better players regardless of ranking and anyone can see that.I hate to say it, but I agree. I hope Petty will mature and blossom, but I'm afraid that Key's just overrated.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 3:43 pm to Irons Puppet
Talent plus heart even better...I question the heart of Bama
Posted on 2/22/18 at 4:09 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Okeke is a tweener, so I doubt he'll be much of a pro.
He's 6'8" and 230 at 18 years old with room to put on weight and muscle.
He's deceptively athletic as hell, great in the paint on offense and defense, and most importantly he's a great shooter to go along with his size and athleticism. He's actually our highest percentage 3 pt%
The NBA loves that tyoe2 of player.
He won't be a star in the NBA, but I could easily see him being a 6th man of the year type and playing for 10 years.
Last night was the first time we've ever had to rely on Okeke that much, since we usually have so many great scoring options n and he really shone. There's a reason that Okeke was Georgia's Mr. Basketball last year and not Collin Sexton.
Watch, by the time Okeke is a junior and starting, I wouldn't not be surprised to see Chuma blow up big time and really make this his team.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 6:10 pm to Irons Puppet
Umm yeah no one disputes Pearl being one of the best coaches in the country
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:31 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Okeke is a tweener,
Better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:37 pm to coachcrisp
Just be ready to have your wins vacated
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