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Bowen Loftin (Fmr A&M and Mizzou Pres)-Adding Texas would break the Gentleman's Agreement

Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:35 pm
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:35 pm
ESPN Article

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If Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, it would break a long-standing "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools that gives conference members "absolute veto power" over the addition of another school from their state, according to a former Texas A&M official.

R. Bowen Loftin, who helped steer the Aggies into the SEC in 2011 while serving as A&M's president, said the oft-discussed unwritten rule was a "specific conversation" during expansion talks in 2010-11 when he was involved. Loftin also served as chancellor at Missouri in 2014-15 after the Tigers made the move to the SEC.


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"There's this understanding among the membership -- at least it was 10 years ago -- that you don't admit a school from the same state as a member school unless that member school's OK with it," Loftin told ESPN.com on Thursday. "We talked about it from time to time among ourselves, that this was the way it was going to be, that if we had another school in Texas wanting to enter the SEC, Texas A&M would have veto power."


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Loftin said the agreement prevented expansion discussion involving teams such as Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Miami, even when the league was targeting the ACC if 16-team superconferences came to pass in the last round of realignment.

"We discussed those specific possibilities," Loftin said. "Florida State was never in the conversation, for obvious reasons. It was clear that they would not be admittable unless Florida wanted them included, and who could imagine that?"

Loftin said most expansion discussion centered on schools such as North Carolina, NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech, all schools in states with no SEC members.

"I can tell you that, during my time in the SEC from two different schools, that was the understanding we had," Loftin said. "It was unwritten. There's no specific rule you can point to. You can point to the bylaws, talk about having a three-quarters majority to admit a new school, which means four schools could stop it from happening legally and officially. But beyond that, there was this understanding."

Loftin said he and members of the A&M board of regents specifically discussed Texas' membership prospects during expansion talks with Slive, who was commissioner at the time. Slive died in 2018.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11659 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:38 pm to
So it ok for Tenn/Vandy, Bama/Au, Miss State/Ole Miss to compete but that the others can't handle it.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
10911 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:39 pm to
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43977 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:39 pm to
Were those programs added to the SEC with that stipulation?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
98915 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:42 pm to
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So it ok for Tenn/Vandy, Bama/Au, Miss State/Ole Miss to compete but that the others can't handle it.



A touch different for charter members who all joined together.
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
32923 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:42 pm to
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Were those programs added to the SEC with that stipulation?


You guys are being bitchy as hell about this. The SEC did aTm a big favor and this is what we get? Wow
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:42 pm to
The commissioner, most of the ADs and most of the Presidents from 2011 are gone.
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
14868 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:43 pm to
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So it ok for Tenn/Vandy, Bama/Au, Miss State/Ole Miss to compete but that the others can't handle it.

Then why not add another Florida school to the SEC?
Posted by EastTXHorn
Houston
Member since Jan 2019
791 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:43 pm to
A&M needs to get out the way, this is a beneficial move for everybody outside of College Station.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:43 pm to
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Then why not add another Florida school to the SEC?



Because everytime FSU came up Clemson or Tech would come up and South Carolina, Georgia and Florida teamed together to keep them out.
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
6868 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

Gentleman's Agreement


So is that like an enforceable contract or...?
Posted by Go Go Gata
Member since Oct 2016
2177 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:44 pm to
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Then why not add another Florida school to the SEC?


They had their shot and said it was too tough.

Prayers to Bowden by the way.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37429 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

Were those programs added to the SEC with that stipulation?


It was never written down so we will never know. Gentlemen’s agreements are always in place just long enough for one side to get a better deal and blow it all to hell
Posted by Go Go Gata
Member since Oct 2016
2177 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:45 pm to
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Because everytime FSU came up Clemson or Tech would come up and South Carolina, Georgia and Florida teamed together to keep them out.


Florida was ok with FSU joining before they went ACC back in '92.
Noles made a business decision and said no thanks.

This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 6:09 pm
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41146 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:46 pm to
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Then why not add another Florida school to the SEC?


FSU was offered to join and declined.

LINK
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43977 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:46 pm to
You didn’t do us a “favor,” mate; we accepted an invitation and brought much to the table.

No one is being bitchy, just offering a counterpoint.
Tho I agree that not being able to have a discussion without Mississippi State and LSU fans vomiting “they’re scared!” all over the thread makes dialogue tough.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30050 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:46 pm to
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So is that like an enforceable contract or...?
nope. This is another sad thread where aggy men and women are literally

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For the alarm button to end this Delicious 28 hour melt.



This nightmare ain’t over kids.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37429 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:46 pm to
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Then why not add another Florida school to the SEC?


Because UF is the premier school and biggest draw in Florida. It’s the biggest, most loyal fanbase and has a stellar overall athletics program. Can you say the same about Miami and FSU?
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
9112 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:47 pm to
GFY Whorn.
Posted by supersaints9
Colleyville,Tx
Member since Dec 2009
14141 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:47 pm to
A&M fans have brought me more joy in the last 2 days than I deserve. Thank you melting bitches for Christmas in July
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