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Best Team or Best Season should be in Playoff?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:03 pm
With all the current talk of the college football playoff rankings and what could happen this year with multiple 1 loss and some 2 loss teams in potential contention there are a lot of questions.
I keep asking myself, what is more important? Get the best teams in the playoff or get the teams with the best season. Wins and Losses can confuse things. But late in the season, should head to head not be more important than your season record?
For Example: If the barn takes down UGA Saturday and it was evident from the play on the field the are also the better team. Shouldnt the barn be ranked in front of UGA, regardless of having an additional loss? If UGA fell to 6 and barn rose to 7 in the playoff poll, what are we saying? The dawgs are still better regardless of the head to head and the eye test says differently. That honestly makes no sense. So then it means we are rewarding an inferior team for their whole season and not their actual level of superiority.
Do you want the best teams and feel head to head trumps most everything late in the season or do you want the teams most deserving even if not the best teams?
I keep asking myself, what is more important? Get the best teams in the playoff or get the teams with the best season. Wins and Losses can confuse things. But late in the season, should head to head not be more important than your season record?
For Example: If the barn takes down UGA Saturday and it was evident from the play on the field the are also the better team. Shouldnt the barn be ranked in front of UGA, regardless of having an additional loss? If UGA fell to 6 and barn rose to 7 in the playoff poll, what are we saying? The dawgs are still better regardless of the head to head and the eye test says differently. That honestly makes no sense. So then it means we are rewarding an inferior team for their whole season and not their actual level of superiority.
Do you want the best teams and feel head to head trumps most everything late in the season or do you want the teams most deserving even if not the best teams?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:06 pm to Skeeterpop
Teams most deserving. But I’m biased because of 1/9/12 scarring me forever.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:08 pm to Skeeterpop
So you drop ND down too....behind us from there, even if they beat the shite out of Miami? What about Clemson, since they beat Auburn? How you want to play that? Act like earlier games don’t matter? Gimme a break. Oh, and what do you feel about where the games are played? Even against score?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:08 pm to Skeeterpop
Just because a team wins head to head doesn't necessarily make them the better team. Auburn is probably better than LSU, but lost. LSU is better than Troy but lost. That's why you have to look at the season as a whole. This case obviously works out because Auburn would play UGA again for it to matter. Don't forget last year when Penn St beat Ohio State and won the conference but was left out of the playoff because of the second loss while Ohio St was in.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:08 pm to Skeeterpop
From what I've taken from what I've seen from the CFB playoff committee, Georgia is likely still 4th in the playoff poll unless it's an Ohio State style brutal beating even if tomorrow is indeed a loss.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:09 pm to Skeeterpop
Best season, otherwise why even play the game? We should just compare everyone’s rosters and give a trophy to whoever has he best players.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:11 pm to Cold Drink
Agree with you here. If the metric in sports were who has the best looking rosters, teams like Michigan State and Washington would never make the playoff, and the majority of the teams who have won march madness would not have even been close to the final four.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:15 pm to Skeeterpop
unless we beat uga by 3+ tds we wont be ranked ahead and rightfully so. however once they lose to bama as well, they would be below us, and rightfully so.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:19 pm to auzach91
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unless we beat uga by 3+ tds we wont be ranked ahead and rightfully so. however once they lose to bama as well, they would be below us, and rightfully so
If Au beats UGA, but UGA plays Bama in the SECC, we won’t be ranked behind you no matter the outcome. You’d have 3 losses, we’d have 2
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:19 pm to IT_Dawg
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So you drop ND down too....behind us from there, even if they beat the shite out of Miami? What about Clemson, since they beat Auburn? How you want to play that? Act like earlier games don’t matter? Gimme a break. Oh, and what do you feel about where the games are played? Even against score?
I personally feel you have to assume teams are either better or worse near the end of the season vs the beginning of the season for a number of possible reasons. This is where you use the eye test to determine head to head much earlier is irrelevant late in the season.
My intent of this post was not to declare my belief is correct. I want opinions. I am not sure I have decided myself what is and should be more important. Its a very interesting delima and conversation.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:21 pm to m45auburn
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just because a team wins head to head doesn't necessarily make them the better team. Auburn is probably better than LSU, but lost. LSU is better than Troy but lost. That's why you have to look at the season as a whole. This case obviously works out because Auburn would play UGA again for it to matter. Don't forget last year when Penn St beat Ohio State and won the conference but was left out of the playoff because of the second loss while Ohio St was in.
I agree. Thats why my example said it was obvious from the eye test that AU was better and also won the game. So taking that into consideration how do you rank?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:23 pm to Skeeterpop
You play the games to earn it. The season is the reason. That’s why Clemson is over ranked. They may be a very good team but they have a bad loss that should count.
And having an injury to a player should not factor as an excuse. Depth is part of being a good team.
And having an injury to a player should not factor as an excuse. Depth is part of being a good team.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:23 pm to lsudave1
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Teams most deserving.
What makes a team deserving? Do the best teams deserve it or teams with the best season?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:24 pm to Skeeterpop
I mean, if Auburn wins by 3 TDs, probably.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:25 pm to Skeeterpop
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should head to head not be more important than your season record?
What did you think in 2011?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:25 pm to Skeeterpop
The real answer is:
The committee picks the 4 teams that will rake in the most money for the powers that be that they can possibly justify.
The committee picks the 4 teams that will rake in the most money for the powers that be that they can possibly justify.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:26 pm to auzach91
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unless we beat uga by 3+ tds we wont be ranked ahead and rightfully so. however once they lose to bama as well, they would be below us, and rightfully so.
But wouldnt you feel you are the better team? And from the play on the field it would be obvious you were. So why shouldn't you be ranked higher? Isnt that the point of rankings? To communicate who the best teams are.
Why is AU even playing UGA tomorrow? I would say because we all want to know who is better. What better way to determine than head to head. I think over the years people have confused the whole reason for having competition. Its to identify which team is better.
It may be they were only better on that "day" because of this reason or that. However, they won the contest and should be rewarded for that more than the losing team getting rewarded for other contest against different competitors.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:26 pm to Skeeterpop
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For Example: If the barn takes down UGA Saturday and it was evident from the play on the field the are also the better team. Shouldnt the barn be ranked in front of UGA, regardless of having an additional loss? If UGA fell to 6 and barn rose to 7 in the playoff poll, what are we saying? The dawgs are still better regardless of the head to head and the eye test says differently. That honestly makes no sense. So then it means we are rewarding an inferior team for their whole season and not their actual level of superiority.
The good thing with the UGA/Aub example is it will all play out on the field. Even if for some miracle we win vs UGA and Bama
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:30 pm to bigpapamac
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What makes a team deserving? Do the best teams deserve it or teams with the best season?
This is my question in a nutshell.
What do we want to celebrate. Best team on the field at the end of the season (i.e. NFL) or team that had the best overall season ((i.e. Current College format)?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 12:34 pm to NYCAuburn
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quote: should head to head not be more important than your season record? What did you think in 2011?
Absolutely. However, even though LSU was the legit #1 going into the championship game. There has to be a #2 to play them. Do you not want them to play the 2nd best team for all the marbles or do you want them to play a lessor team. Bama was still the #2 team in the country and earned that rematch.
If Ali is 50-0 and Foreman is 49-1 with one loss to Ali. Is he still not the #1 contender if no one else is better than him?
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