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Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:16 pm to ohiovol
I wouldn't care if we stopped playing Ole Miss or Mississippi State every year to keep Tennessee.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:16 pm to Bellabama
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Again, my point is directed toward the people who have scoffed at Alabama's desire to keep the rivalries in tact, or said it would be different under other circumstances. It's part of what we hold dear
Preaching to the choir.
But I quibbled with your assertion that AU/UA/UGA/UT are willing to compromise or negotiate the status of these rivalry games.
Those games have never been a negotiable.
Never.
Ever.
Ever.
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Had LSU been able to do the same with regard to the night games, it would have been done.
I will guarantee you it was an oversight by our AD at the time the contract was signed. And Alleva better fight with the same fierceness that you four do about your precious rivalries to insist that LSU must always have at least one home game at night. Alleva better get a night game clause put into the new TV contract. That's our non negotiable from this day forward.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:18 pm to Nuts4LSU
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What in the Hell is it about people in the state of Alabama having no fricking brains? We aren't asking to trade permanent opponents with Ole Miss. We're asking to do away with permanent opponents altogether and rotate the other division through two spots instead of one, so we can play them with reasonable frequency.
If people wanted to play their conference opponents with reasonable frequency, they probably should have voted against expansion.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:20 pm to Bellabama
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I can see this. It seems like a fairly valid negotiating point for Alleva to say something like... "we will play Florida and vote to keep the cross divisional rivals if we get the support of the schools in negotiating our television rights to have first refusal for night games." Even if they are on ESPN (probably better now anyway) instead of CBS. They should be able to tell CBS that they would prefer ESPN that week.
Exactly.
It's all part of the negotiation. Define your non negotiables and work to find enough common ground to get a majority.
Alleva, Miles, Spurrier, etc. are all just blowing smoke to get a better deal for their respective schools. They're not "pussies" so much as they're just maneuvering to get the best possible deal for their school. I don't fault the other SEC schools for doing the same.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:22 pm to JPLSU1981
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That would solve nothing FWIW. LSU(and every other school outside the4) should not have ANY permanent cross-division opponent, whether it be Florida, Mizzou, Vanderbilt or whoever.
Says who? Only school I see crying about it is LSU. Florida has fallen on hard times recently...did I miss their fans bitching about having to play a potent LSU team on annual basis? They seem okay about it. Matter of fact, they seem to embrace it.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:36 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
LSU is the only school crying about it, so they will not get their way.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:37 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
I think the smaller schools, especially in the west right now (but the east 10-15 years ago), appreciate having a set team that they know they can be competitive with. That was my understanding as to why they were voting with the 4 on cross divisional rivals.
Perhaps to solve LSU's problem, they could have a 6-2 and rotate one of the games with UGA, UT, and UF, and the other game with all 7 teams.
Perhaps to solve LSU's problem, they could have a 6-2 and rotate one of the games with UGA, UT, and UF, and the other game with all 7 teams.
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:41 pm to volforever
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LSU is the only school crying about it, so they will not get their way.
There is a certain population of them that are especially happy when they have something to nitpick. All the better when it's another team.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:47 pm to Bellabama
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There is a certain population of them that are especially happy when they have something to nitpick.
Looks like most of the LSU fans voting in this non-scientific poll support playing Florida. The real issue is losing the other rotating game.
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Most of our fans enjoy beating Florida. In fact, before Saban went to Bama, I'd say Florida was the team our fanbase enjoyed beating the most. Spurrier built up a lot of hate. Tebow too.
They're not a "traditional" rival for us and probably never will be. But I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
When all the smoke clears, this isn't so much about Florida as it is about losing that 2nd rotating game. Which shouldn't come as a shock as few schools were happy about the 5-2-1 arrangement the SEC had for the first ten years after going to divisional play.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:47 pm to Bellabama
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There is a certain population of them that are especially happy when they have something to nitpick
I don't understand why. The scheduling has been like this forever and all of a sudden our fans are up in arms about not playing UGA and USCe enough? LSU-Florida is awesome, been some of the most electric games I have ever attended. Would be a tragedy to get rid of it. Conference will never get rid of UGA-AU and UT-UA. Games have been played forever and are historic.
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:51 pm to CBandits82
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The scheduling has been like this forever and all of a sudden our fans are up in arms about not playing UGA and USCe enough?
Incorrect.
There was only 1 rotating game from 1992 to 2003 and it was expanded to 2 rotating games in 2004 for a reason.
This is the same argument all over again.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:55 pm to volforever
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LSU is the only school crying about it, so they will not get their way.
I just find it ironic when it's the reasonable position that's getting shot down as "whining" and the inequitable position that is being widely supported.
Some people are just a tad blinded and a little trigger-happy IMO. It is what it is. Some people have a hard time looking at things objectively and that will never change.
Pair us with Vanderbilt and I'll be even more opposed to permanents than I am now. If we HAVE to be paired with someone, it might as well be Florida....Great teAms, great games, and it's been college football's marquee game over the last decade.
But why exactly are we paired with ANYONE when we can all be rotating?
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:06 pm to JPLSU1981
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But why exactly are we paired with ANYONE when we can all be rotating?
Because the SEC is a historic conference based on historic rivalries. Just because the powers that be decide to exploit television doesn't mean we get rid of what made it successful to start with. What gets better ratings...LSU vs. Florida or LSU vs. Kentucky?
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:25 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Because the SEC is a historic conference based on historic rivalries.
There is nothing historic in this list:
Ole Miss vs Vanderbilt
MissSt vs Kentucky
USC vs Texas A&M
So again, if there is no tradition/history, why exactly do we have permanent opponents in the other division?
(keep in mind that I have consistently advocated the UGA-Aub and bama-tenn game continuing on an annual basis because those are the ONLY permanent cross-division games with any historical significance.)
FWIW, by rotating, we might just find some other matchups that develop tradition:/historical significance, but we'll never find out if those games are played only twice every 12 years.
Examples of games that could be great in a 6-2 model:
LSU-Georgia twice every six years
LSU-tenn twice every six years
A&M-Florida twice every six years
Arky-tenn twice every six years
Aub-tenn twice every six years
Bama-Florida twice every six years
Bama-Georgia twice every six years
Aub-Florida twice every six years
A&M-Georgia twice every six years
Unfortunately, we will only see the above games twice every TWELVE years under the 6-1-1 model....why not try to create more games with tradition and give some of these games a chance to grow into something?
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:28 pm to JPLSU1981
Vandy and Ole Miss have played for nearly 100 straight years I thought?
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:33 pm to JPLSU1981
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There is nothing historic in this list:
Ole Miss vs Vanderbilt
MissSt vs Kentucky
USC vs Texas A&M
But there is in:
LSU vs UF
Bama vs UT
AU vs UGA
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Examples of games that could be great in a 6-2 model:
LSU-Georgia twice every six years
A&M-Florida twice every six years
Arky-tenn twice every six years
Bama-Florida twice every six years
Bama-Georgia twice every six years
And none of those equal an annual matchup of the above listed matchups every single year.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:35 pm to JPLSU1981
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So again, if there is no tradition/history, why exactly do we have permanent opponents in the other division?
But there is...a whole helluva lot.
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FWIW, by rotating, we might just find some other matchups that develop tradition:/historical significance, but we'll never find out if those games are played only twice every 12 years.
So trash 50 and 100 year rivalries for 2 games that are played every 6 years and hope they eventually turn into rivalries?
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:37 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Yu do realize my proposal is to keep the Aub-UGA and bama-tenn game, right?
I think those games are great and should stay, but the other 10 teams in the league need to rotate
6-1-1 for Aub/UGA/bama/tenn
6-2 for everyone else
I think those games are great and should stay, but the other 10 teams in the league need to rotate
6-1-1 for Aub/UGA/bama/tenn
6-2 for everyone else
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:40 pm to JPLSU1981
You do realize dropping UF from your schedule is going to weaken your strength of schedule? In a year where you need help in the polls, beating a top 5, 10, 15 UF will help. Beating an unranked UK, Vandy, etc. in their place isn't gonna do anything for you. As a matter of fact it'll probably hurt you in the computer polls, whereas a win over UF would help.
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